‘We are all Palestinian’

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/thrills-ancestors-palestinian.html

Today the Day of Rage demonstrations are taking place in cities all over the world, demanding immediate sanctions on Israel. We’re expecting reports to start rolling in, here’s our first one.

Nineteen-year-old student and activist Barnaby Raine has been organizing a “Jewish Bloc against Zionism” in London. And his speech at today’s Day of Rage demonstration in London is a knock out. Excerpts:

I am proud to stand here today as a Jewish boy from North London in solidarity with the people of Gaza.

I’m not here today in spite of Jewish history. I’m here because of Jewish history. ..

[oberliner]

1. Mondoweiss and Day of Rage

Match made in heaven.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

3. It's too bad that you are hung up on

on the messenger instead of the message.

[Fred Sanders]

5. Shoot the messenger, most ancient of false logic attacks on reason...it is a sign of defeat.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

6. Or blind arrogance.

[Fred Sanders]

7. True, deflection can be a sign of blind ignorance or arrogance.

[4now]

2. The world is standing up to Isreali apartheid

Israel must end the illegal siege of Gaza
If it ever expects to find peace.

Boycott, Divestment and Sanction
http://www.bdsmovement.net/

[King_David]

20. What is the ultimate end goal of the BDS movement ?

[4now]

23. Ending Israeli apartheid

and maybe Israel could quit murdering their neighbors children. but that is just my preference.

Today I saw a picture of a weeping Palestinian man holding a plastic carrier bag of meat. It was his son. He’d been shredded (the hospital’s word) by an Israeli missile attack – apparently using their fab new weapon, fléchette bombs. You probably know what those are – hundreds of small steel darts packed around explosive which tear the flesh off humans. The boy was Mohammed Khalaf al-Nawasra. He was four years old.
I suddenly found myself thinking that it could have been one of my kids in that bag, and that thought upset me more than anything has for a long time.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025353523

[Fred Sanders]

4. The unmasking of the right wing agenda of the Likud party combined with the war crimes of The IDF

revealed has clearly delivered world opinion to the Palestinian people and their unity government.

[oberliner]

21. Which political parties in Israel do you like?

Can you identify a few of your favorites?

[Fred Sanders]

22. Cinnamon with hot apple pie is essential, would you agree?

[oberliner]

24. Huh?

I'm asking which of the political parties in Israel you would like to see in power there.

[hack89]

8. Nonsense

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There will not be widespread sanctions - it is a pipe dream.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

9. Keep on telling yourself that.

In time, my dear.
In time.

[hack89]

10. It reminds me a lot of OWS or gun banners

Same arrogance, same certainty, same distorted reality. So many times I have been told "just you wait". And I am still waiting.

[Ken Burch]

11. Then again...you probably did nothing to support OWS

Just as(if your posts here reflect your outlook and actions)you apparently do nothing to support any other genuine movements for real change, but mock and sneer at those who do the real work and take the real risks.

As(I suspect)you'd likely have done during the freedom movement(the Civil Rights movement, to use the term they came up with to avoid scaring us white folks back in the day)or the struggles against the Vietnam War, apartheid, and Reagan's bloodsoaked savagery in Central America, as well as the Iraq War and the international fight against globalization and austerity that goes on to this day.

Why do you feel such disdain and contempt for people who are working, with all their might, for a better world?

What, exactly, do YOU do that is so inherently superior and of greater validity than all of those I listed above?

What have you ever done that ever genuinely helped make ANYTHING better? What have you ever done that could possibly justify the arrogance and smugness in your posts here?

[King_David]

12. You must be quite the saint to judge others like you just did. nt

[Ken Burch]

13. No...I've got tons of flaws...though I don't have the flaw YOU keep hinting I have.

But arrogant dismissiveness like that is just not cool.

Who is anyone to tell people who spent months and years doing all they could to make a better world that they were, essentially, full of shit? Who is ANYONE to piss on anybody else's commitment? Any one else's dreams and ideals?

Who is ever entitled to do that?

And what good comes of doing that?

[hack89]

14. Another Internet saint. Take off the hair shirt

And lighten up.

[Ken Burch]

15. I'm no freaking saint...and this isn't about me at all. it's about your dismissive smugness.

...I don't care what you say about me, but you were out of line to sneer at OWS. You're not superior to them and you're no more politically effective than they are.

When people are willing to face police brutality for what they believe in(and in some cases, give their lives, as some people in Occupy did), especially when they are fighting for people like us, you owe them respect for that.

They walked the walk. All you do is take potshots from the safe comfortable sidelines. You've never, from what I've seen from you here, taken a single risk for any cause at all...including same-sex marriage. For you, commitment is just about writing a check.

So who are you to piss on Occupy?

[hack89]

18. I spent 20 years in the Navy

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Spending more time in the ME than I care to remember. By no measure was I on the sidelines - I was literally on the front lines.

As for OWS, their cause was worthy in many aspects. They were still ineffective due to their failure to organize and engage in politics. They allowed themselves to be marginalized and rendered impotent. In Rhode Island we were preparing for national elections and tried to find common cause with them. They in essence told the RI Democratic party they did not want to dirty themselves associating with us and that Dems were no better than Tea Baggers.

[Ken Burch]

19. That was how the ones in Rhode Island were.

A lot of those folks are still active and still carrying on, finding new ways to engage.

As to electoral organizing, well, at that point, a lot of OWS people had valid reasons to be wary of just working for the Dems. Obama engaged them and got a lot of them working for him, which was a positive response.

If you'd put your first post in the way you put that last one, I wouldn't have gone off like that. You raise some valid points here, but it doesn't sound like you're dissing and dismissing here. Thanks for the better tone.

No disrespect to your Navy career(which I was unaware of) intended.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

16. In time, dear.

BDS...

[hack89]

17. Sure. nt

[yeoman6987]

27. The United States won't do any sanctions that is for sure

In fact, if other countries do place sanctions, I am pretty sure that we will take up the slack on anything Israel will need. No matter what, we will up our support to them. President Obama pretty much says as much.

[leftynyc]

25. Don't expect people here to believe that

They think everyone, against all available evidence, agrees with them. They think the world will accept hamas as an acceptable government. A terrorist organization. They live in a fantasy world where OWS was given a seat at the table and all elected officials fell over themselves to be identified with them.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

26. I'd go with Days of Sorrow and Shame.

Sorrow over the lives lost or destroyed, shame that humans can pretend that 'defense' requires collective punishment and ethnic cleansing.