Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumWithout a two-state solution, Americans will challenge Zionism itself
For all his references to Derek Jeter and 'Gone with the Wind,' Benjamin Netanyahu doesn't understand Americans as well as he thinks he does.By Peter Beinart 15:52 07.10.14
Asked about the obligations of American Jews to Israel, the sociologist Steven M. Cohen once offered this analogy. Imagine if Jews living in Rome around 135 C.E. had learned that Simon Bar Kochba was planning to lead the Jews of Judea in revolt. Living in the seat of empire, those Roman Jews might have realized that the revolt would likely end in tears. Should they not have used the insight that their particular vantage point offered to help their brethren avoid disaster?
The analogy is not perfect, but Cohen makes an important point. American Jews will never possess the intimate understanding that Israelis have of their own political culture. What we do possess is an intimate understanding of the political culture of the superpower on which Israel relies. And American political culture is growing more critical of Israel. Theres been a noticeable change even in the last few months.
To understand why, one must realize that Americans have always felt most comfortable defending Israel in the language of democracy. To combat Israels delegitimization, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu often stresses the Jewish peoples biblical ties to the land. That rhetoric works among conservative Christians, but its too theological for most Americans. Stressing Israels democratic character, by contrast the political ideals it shares with the United States appeals to Americans of all stripes.
Thats why Israels American supporters keep claiming that Israels government wants to create a Palestinian state, even as top Israeli leaders themselves insist they dont. If Israel doesnt want to create a Palestinian state if its leaders are comfortable permanently controlling millions of people who cannot vote for the government that oversees their lives then the core rationale that Israels American defenders have been using all these years breaks down.
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Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Thats starting to happen. A few years ago, only experts fretted that settlement growth was killing the two-state solution. Now its a cliché. The failure of John Kerrys peace mission and this summers war in Gaza have emboldened the American media to begin peering beyond the two-state solution. And the more journalists discuss the prospect of an Israel that permanently and undemocratically controls millions of stateless Palestinians, the more they question Zionism itself.
Eleven years ago, when Tony Judt advocated a binational state in The New York Review of Books, it created a scandal. Today, newspapers publish similar arguments all the time. In just the last month alone, The New York Times has published Antony Lermans The End of Liberal Zionism, which declared, The only Zionism of any consequence today is xenophobic and exclusionary. The Washington Post, meanwhile, has published Patricia Marks Greenfields An Israel Equal for All, Jewish or Not, which insists that Israel must be a fully secular state.
In the mainstream American media, the taboo against questioning Israels existence as a Jewish state is lifting. In the three weeks after Lermans oped, I received more requests to debate anti-Zionists than I had received in the previous three years.
This should worry Israels leaders a great deal. It should worry them because once Israels Jewish character becomes a subject of controversy rather than an unquestioned fact, many liberal-minded Americans will find it difficult to defend. Thats not because they are anti-Semites. Its because outside the Christian right, Americans intuitively assume that governments should have no religious or ethnic character. Indeed, a clear plurality of American Jews already tell pollsters they want Israel to separate religion and state. They just dont realize that in saying so theyre challenging political Zionism itself.
I still believe the best answer to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a democratic Jewish state alongside a democratic Palestinian one. I believe that because, in a post-Holocaust world, I want there to be one country that has as its mission statement the protection of Jewish life. And I believe it because among both Palestinians and Israeli Jews, nationalism remains a massively powerful force. To assume each community could subordinate its deep-seeded nationalism to a newfound loyalty to secular state strikes me as utopian. Secular binationalism barely works in Belgium. Between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea its probably a recipe for civil war.
But this requires arguing that Israel/Palestine is, at least right now, fundamentally different than the United States. It requires defending Zionism as something alien to the American experience, something necessary because in Israel/Palestine, the civic nationalism we revere here is neither possible nor desirable. Thats very different than arguing that the United States should support Israel because its Americas Middle Eastern twin.
For all his references to Derek Jeter and "Gone with the Wind," Benjamin Netanyahu doesnt understand Americans as well as he thinks he does. Yes, an aging minority of Fox News-watching whites will support Israel no matter what, because they admire Jews and fear Muslims. But younger Americans are less white, less religious, less nationalistic and less racist. And the harder they find it to conceive of Israel as a democracy, they harder theyll find it to support Israels existence as a Jewish state.
Israelis need to realize that by undermining the two-state solution, Netanyahu is prompting a debate inside the United States about Zionism itself. That debate will take a long time. But unless Israeli policy changes, its a debate that we Zionists may ultimately lose.
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)This article ties in to what I have been trying to say. Our country is changing, and we are getting browner, therefore, we will not always be willing to continue to assist Israel in stealing from and killing brown folks. Combine that with the breathtaking lack of self awareness inherent in their leadership, it's a recipe for disaster in about 15 short years. Their right wing is like the very worst of our right wing, and it seems like they are stuck a few decades back in time, thinking they have our full support since they can manipulate our political process. Times are a changing! I yelled at Mark Begich's staffer when he called me to vote in the primary and he said he got alot of flack from people who heard Bibi saying not to second guess him again. I think he goes too far.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Carlos Rodrigez
(69 posts)presumes Palestinian readiness to compromise and not to attack the Israeli state. As of today, Hamas has declined, in that it rejects a two state solution. Israel took a conciliatory approach in Gaza by unilaterally withdrawing. Of course the withdrawal was not total. Israel maintained import restriction that limited the flow of weapons. And Hamas, in turn, upon grounds of these restrictions justified attacking Israel.
When Israel faces the question what is its best course, it has to wonder whether future concessions merely empower Hamas to launch more rockets at civilians. A good question is: Had Israel not unilaterraly withdrawn from Gaza, would it have suffered more or less casualties? If the answer is less, then Israel's concilliation was bad policy, as are future future concessions.
Truthfully, no matter how much Israel conciliates (short of evacuating the country), Hamas will always launch some sort of military campaign designed to get more concession.