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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 10:40 AM Oct 2014

Kerry: Lack of Israel-Palestine peace fueling Mideast extremism

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on Thursday drew a line between the need for a resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict with the fight against extremism in the Middle East, and urged for the realization of the two-state solution while speaking at a State Department ceremony marking the Muslim festival of Eid al-Adha.

The struggle to reach a peaceful resolution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, said Kerry, should be viewed within the context of the fight against extremism such as is personified by the Islamic State group.

"As I went around and met with people in the course of our discussions about the [anti-Islamic State] coalition [...] there wasn’t a leader I met with in the region who didn’t raise with me spontaneously the need to try to get peace between Israel and the Palestinians, because it was a cause of recruitment and of street anger and agitation that they felt – and I see a lot of heads nodding – they had to respond to," said Kerry.

"And people need to understand the connection of that... It has something to do with humiliation and denial and absence of dignity, and Eid celebrates the opposite of all of that."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.621248


This should be filed under "well, duh" and yet there are people who would deny that Israel's treatment of the Palestinians has anything to do with extremism in the Middle East.

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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
1. Israel's treatment of the Palestinians has nothing to do with extremism in the Middle East
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:48 AM
Oct 2014

In fact, whenever there is movement towards an Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement, extremism in the Middle East tends to spike.

I certainly agree with his call for a two-state solution, but I think the establishment of a peace agreement would do nothing as far as extremists in the Middle East go other than inflame them further.

We would see extremists angry that the Palestinians sold out by not pushing for the total elimination of Israel.

And if the extremists were successful in achieving the goal of the elimination of Israel (what extremists often call a cancer in the region), the extremists could move on to their wider goals as articulated by the extremist leaders of ISIS and other similar movements.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
2. It has everything to with extremism.
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 12:43 PM
Oct 2014

As Kerry said, it's a recruiting tool. People see the Palestinians being mistreated by Israel, and with American support, and it drives them towards extremism.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
3. Speaking out against settlements inflames Jewish extremists
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 02:21 PM
Oct 2014

The more pressure that is put on Israelis to withdraw from those settlements, the more inflamed the Jewish extremists become. They feel that they are being mistreated by the international community, including the United States, and so are more prone to violent outbursts and price tag attacks. Speaking out against settlements is a recruiting tool that drives more and more Jewish settlers towards extremism.

Bottom line - policy should not be decided based on what does or does not inflame extremists. The extremists themselves are the problem. Be they Muslim, Jewish, Christian or otherwise.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
8. Well, I'm glad you drastically changed your opinion from your last post.
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 04:29 PM
Oct 2014

Understanding that the I/P issue fuels extremism across the Middle East is a good step.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
6. Your statements are unbelievable, literally.
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 04:00 PM
Oct 2014

The EU was wrong too, when they said the same thing years ago?

snip*The EU report goes further, saying that the demolitions are “illegal under international law, serve no obvious purpose, have severe humanitarian effects, and fuel bitterness and extremism.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/mar/07/israel-palestine-eu-report-jerusalem

snip* A confidential EU report accuses the Israeli government of using settlement expansion, house demolitions, discriminatory housing policies and the West Bank barrier as a way of “actively pursuing the illegal annexation” of East Jerusalem.

The document says Israel has accelerated its plans for East Jerusalem, and is undermining the Palestinian Authority’s credibility and weakening support for peace talks. “Israel’s actions in and around Jerusalem constitute one of the most acute challenges to Israeli-Palestinian peace-making,” says the document, EU Heads of Mission Report on East Jerusalem.

The report, obtained by the Guardian, is dated 15 December 2008. It acknowledges Israel’s legitimate security concerns in Jerusalem, but adds: “Many of its current illegal actions in and around the city have limited security justifications.”

“Israeli ‘facts on the ground’ – including new settlements, construction of the barrier, discriminatory housing policies, house demolitions, restrictive permit regime and continued closure of Palestinian institutions – increase Jewish Israeli presence in East Jerusalem, weaken the Palestinian community in the city, impede Palestinian urban development and separate East Jerusalem from the rest of the West Bank,” the report says.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
4. Duh is right, it plays a role no matter who denies it..just not the only one.
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 02:57 PM
Oct 2014

That Kerry said it now is another indication he stills wants his initiative before
his time is up in office and more pressure will keep coming from him, the EU
and the Arab league..just not necessarily great for the Palestinians in the end.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
5. Israeli Settlers Set Fire to Abu Baker al-Siddiq Mosque in 'Aqraba Village near Nablus
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 03:30 PM
Oct 2014

Wednesday, 15 October 2014

The Palestinian Center for Human rights (PCHR) condemns the crime committed by Israeli settlers on Tuesday, 14 October 2014, when they set fire to Abu Baker al-Siddiq Mosque in 'Aqraba village, southeast of Nablus, and painted slogans on its walls. PCHR believes that Israeli occupation forces' connivance, support and protection for the settlers encourage them to commit more organized crimes against the Palestinian civilians, and these crimes are the outcome of Israeli governments’ persistent incitements against the Palestinians, which drive the settlers into more hatred and extremism. PCHR condemns such attacks and Israeli government’s complicity and encouragement for them. Moreover, PCHR calls upon the international community to act immediately to provide protection for the Palestinian civilians in the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt).



According to investigations conducted by PCHR and eyewitness' testimonies, at approximately 06:15 on Tuesday, 14 October 2014, after al-Fajer (dawn) prayer in Abu Baker al-Siddiq Mosque in ‘Aqraba village, southeast of Nablus, a civilian saw smoke coming out of the southern window of women’s section on the first floor of the mosque. He immediately informed the worshippers on the second floor who started leaving the mosque through its eastern exit. They rushed to the women’s section through the western entrance and tried to extinguish fire. Twenty minutes later, they managed to extinguish the fire. After examining the place, they found that the southern window of the women’s section had been shattered and flammable substances were poured on the carpets. The bottles of the flammable substances were left at the window. Later, the Palestinian police arrived at the place and collected the evidence. At approximately 10:30, the Israeli liaison and police arrived at the place and opened an investigation into the attack.



It should be noted that the mosque is located in Ras Karkas quarter in the southern side of ‘Aqraba village, which is less than 400 meters from Trans-Samaria road. The settlers wrote a slogan in Hebrew on walls of the mosque and signed it 'Price Tag in Taffoah settlement'. The slogan further says that this attack was in revenge for Kahana, a settler from the aforementioned settlement, who was killed several years ago by a Palestinian from ‘Aqraba on the same date.



PCHR has constantly warned of the escalation of attacks by Israeli settlers against Palestinian civilians and property. PCHR strongly condemns escalated attacks by Israeli forces and settlers in the oPt, in particular attacks by settlers in the West Bank, and:

1. Calls upon the international community to pressurize Israeli authorities to refrain from providing protection and connivance to settlers in regards to crimes committed by them and demands the Israeli government to prosecute settlers who perpetrate such attacks;

2. Calls upon the international community to pressurize Israel to comply with its obligations under the international law and end all settlement activities in the oPt;

3. Reminds the international community that settlement is a war crime according to the international law, so the High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention, individually or jointly, must comply with their legal and moral obligations, and ensure Israel’s respect for the Convention in the oPt, in accordance with Article 1 of the Convention.

http://www.pchrgaza.org/portal/en/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10673:israeli-settlers-set-fire-to-abu-baker-a

King_David

(14,851 posts)
10. Not true really,
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 06:28 PM
Oct 2014

ISIS extremists don't seem to be fueled by Mideast events and seem to be enemies with a lot of Israel's enemies themselves.

Hamas extremists don't really want peace, hence they are extremists.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
11. Israel's Yaalon in U.S. after spat over Kerry remarks
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 08:38 AM
Oct 2014

Yaalon warned that no dispute should be allowed to "cast a shadow" over Israel's crucial relationship with its closest ally.

Sunday, 19 October 2014

Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Yaalon sought to calm fresh tensions with Washington on Sunday as he began a five-day trip to the United States.

In a statement released ahead of his departure, Yaalon warned that no dispute should be allowed to "cast a shadow" over Israel's crucial relationship with its closest ally.

"The relationship between the United States and Israel is based on shared interests and values, and disputes of one sort or another must not cast a shadow over it," he said.

On Friday, two senior Israeli cabinet ministers took aim at U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry over remarks linking the growth of Islamic extremism to Israel's decades-long conflict with the Palestinians.

At issue was a statement by Kerry in which he said regional leaders approached him over the need to broker peace between Israel and the Palestinians "because it was a cause of recruitment and of street anger and agitation".

The two ministers seized on his words as linking the Middle East conflict to the rise of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/2014/10/19/Israel-s-Yaalon-in-U-S-after-spat-over-Kerry-remarks-.html
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