What makes Israel so hell-bent on lumping Hamas with ISIS?

[bemildred]

By Khalid Amayreh, The Milli Gazette Online
Published Online: Oct 18, 2014

Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is notorious for making theatrical attempts to find "distractions" or "red herrings" in order to divert attention from his unceasing efforts to decapitate all chances for the establishment of a viable Palestinian state in the West Bank.

Netanyahu has effectively tripled the building of Jewish colonies in the West Bank. He has also allowed millenarian Jewish settlers to carry out almost daily provocations against Islam's third holiest sanctuary, namely Jerusalem's al-Aqsa Mosque. This could trigger a worldwide conflagration that would put an end to peace efforts in the region.

Netanyahu hopes to desensitize any semblance of Western, especially American, opposition to Israel's lebensraum policy in the West Bank and the Jewish states' unrelenting efforts to kill any remaining prospects for the establishment of a Palestinian state.

However, Netanyahu's diversionary tactics seem to have been blunted by two main recent developments: The Swedish decision to recognize a future Palestinian state and the British Parliament vote to do the same.

http://www.milligazette.com/news/11148-what-makes-israel-so-hell-bent-on-lumping-hamas-with-isis

[King_David]

1. Message must be getting through ?

If we getting articles and essays like this.

[bemildred]

3. What message is getting through to whom?

My general impression was a complete lack of agreement, is why I ask.

[Prophet 451]

2. Without taking sides on the I/P mess

I would imagine that it's because the western world is already used to seeing ISIS as the enemy, unreasoningly evil and impossible to reason with. Thus, if the world can be convinced to view ISIS and HAMAS as the same thing, any action against HAMAS becomes acceptable because they're, in effect, a publically acceptable boogeyman.

Which is not to say that HAMAS aren't horrible people. I don't know enough to say whether they are or aren't.

[bemildred]

4. More current that Hitler/WWII analogies too.

[azurnoir]

71. The analogy is implicitly made every time the term "anti-Semite" is used

the term carries with it an ingrained almost subconscious association with Hitler/Nazis/WW2

[King_David]

77. That's simply not true

Where'd you hear that ?

[azurnoir]

80. Hear what? No one needed to tell me that as I have my own mind n/t

[King_David]

82. Well then we free to judge you for your statements.

Tell us more about what you believe pertaining to the term "antisemite"

[azurnoir]

83. what is it that you wish to 'hear' ? :)

[bemildred]

87. Probably something damning like that antisemitism is associated with Hitler/Nazis/WWII.

Or vice-versa, I'm not sure which it is.

[oberliner]

85. This is complete and utter BS

Hitler/Nazis/WW2 is what comes to mind every time the term "Holocaust" is used.

Anti-semitism is unfortunately connected to the life of many Jews around the world for the past two thousand years or so.

[azurnoir]

86. the 2 have become bracketed as Hitler/Nazis/WW2 is the most well know example

of antisemitism

[King_David]

88. What nonsense

There was extreme AntiSemitism before such as in the Spanish inquisition in pogroms and nazi Germany was a continuation and has never gone away.

[azurnoir]

89. yes but what has that to do with anything I've said? n/t

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

5. Yup.

More and more, westerners are are turning away in disgust from Israeli military policy after seeing the destruction wrought by the latest 'operation' in Palestine, so Netanyahu is desperately seeking to pull a George Bush (tying 9/11 to Saddam Hussein in American minds) by tying Hamas to ISIS, to once again get more westerners to side with Israel rather than Palestinians.

[LeftishBrit]

8. Hamas are indeed horrible people but they aren't ISIS

Only ISIS are ISIS.

[King_David]

20. True but they do share a large overlap in philosophy nt

[Mosby]

22. You gave me crap about posting an article from gatestone written by a well respected Israeli Arab

and yet this author, Khalid Amayreh is a straight up Antisemite but no one noticed or cared other than Oberliner.

Why is that?

[King_David]

30. +1

[oberliner]

39. Hopefully a moment of reflection for some posters here

Anything by Khaled Abu Tomah gets jumped on immediately but somehow folks are less troubled by the past writings of the author of this disgusting OP.

[LeftishBrit]

57. It is not (at least in my case) a matter of being less troubled, but of being less aware

Khaled Abu Tomaeh is much better known in the West.

Also, my strongest objection to the earlier post was not so much the use of Tomaeh in particular (though I am very much not a fan), as to the use of anything at all from the Gatestone Institute.

At any rate, now that I am aware of the nature of Amayreh's writings, I will certainly object most strongly to any further use of him as a source.

[oberliner]

61. "As far as evilness is concerned, even Satan himself learns from Israel"

I would have thought that sentence along with the repeated use of "Nazi-like" throughout this piece would have been a pretty serious red flag.

[LeftishBrit]

56. Having checked, you are right about Amayreh

I did not recognize the author's name at first; that's why I didn't express an objection.

But I agree that he is an extremely bad source. Among much else:

'Unfortunately, we can’t count on North America and Europe to rein-in Zionist madness and arrogance of power. These obsequious westerners are themselves fettered and shackled by a Zionist stranglehold unprecedented in its viciousness'

I would certainly be grateful if this source were not used again.

[azurnoir]

72. the quote is from a 4 year old entry commenting on the words of Ovadia Yosef and Abraham Kook

both of whom did say approximately that

A few days ago, I listened carefully to the elderly leader of Shas, the so-called Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, who was barking like a mad dog, braying like a mischievous donkey, claiming that his Bible and Talmud taught him that all non-Jews under the sun were created like beasts of burden to serve Jews.

I contrasted Yosef’s remarks against Chabad’s religious dogma that non-Jews are not bona fide human beings and compared the remarks further with Abraham Kook’s assertion that the difference between Jews and goyem was greater and deeper than the difference between humans and beasts and concluded that we are talking about nothing less than a new breed of Nazi-like supremacists who would want to enslaves and subjugate the rest of humanity.

http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2010/11/24/zionism-is-the-ism-dismalist-of-all/

[LeftishBrit]

73. They are nasty loonies (or in Yosef's case was; he died recently in his 90s)

But for the author to imply that Jews/Israelis/Zionists in general are all supremacists because some nutters are, is just like implying that all Muslims share the views of Bin Laden or ISIS, or that all Catholics support paedophilia because some priests turned out to be child molesters, or that all atheists share the views of Stalinism (I used to have endless arguments on the Religion forum with someone who used to imply exactly that!) In all cases it's bigoted.

ETA: I remember that when Yosef made these remarks, he was condemned for it by the ADL.

[azurnoir]

75. He was playing back Yosef's words not stating that as an isolated comment or opinion

and yes Yosef did pass from this mortal coil a bit over a year ago may he rest quietly where ever he is

[oberliner]

74. What are your thoughts on these quotes from two months ago?

"I will no longer be using euphemistic language in reference to Jewish Nazism, especially in light of the latest Dresden-like bombing of Gaza by the Judeo-Nazi state, also known as Israel.

The pornographic death and destruction inflicted by the Judeo-Nazi state on the innocent population of Gaza must be treated as a watershed. It is the Auschwitz, Mauthauzen and Dachau of Palestine. The victims are the helpless children and women of Palestine. And the perpetrators are the Nazi-minded Jews who wanted to avenge the German-perpetrated holocaust in the course of the Second World War.

From now on, I will not listen to anyone preaching about peace with the Judeo-Nazi state. In the final analysis, peace with Israel would be very much like peace with Hitler if only because Hitlerian Nazism and Jewish Nazism are carbon copies of each other."

Got some excuses/justification for those?

[azurnoir]

76. My opinion is that they were writen during Operation Protective Edge

by a Palestinian author who lives under Israeli occupation and on that thought I can barely think of another conflict where those living under a brutal occupation must so carefully temper their words about about the occupiers

[King_David]

81. There are many other conflicts far more savage and brutal

That don't garner the enthusiastic outside support by western Right wing and left wing "observers" and outsiders , toward one party just because of the ethnicity / religion of the people on the other side of it.

[azurnoir]

84. Yes there are Syria would be one however here at least we do not see

quite as spirited a defense of Assad or ISIS

if you wish to believe that the opinion of observers and outsiders as you wish to delineate all those you find unacceptable is due almost entirely to the ethnic/religious group that the conquerors belong that is your prerogative, however it is mine to feel that such notions could be used as a distraction from other issues associated with this particular conflict

[arcane1]

27. Reminds me of how Bush and his crew always equated Saddam with al-Qaeda. n/t

[procon]

6. Double the terror and twice the fear...

why, it's the best shiny stuff money can buy.

[LeftishBrit]

7. Because ISIS are seen as - and are - the current extremist 'bad guys' of the Middle East...

so their name comes to mind.

It's not just Israel who compare Hamas to ISIS; Fatah are inclined to do so too.

[bemildred]

9. The ideal bad guys do not come along every day.

Hence the long line of Hitler/Nazi-substitutes we have been offered since WWII by various parties trying to gin up a war, or at least fend off the chnaces for peace.

[oberliner]

10. Author is a true blue anti-semite

From Wikipedia:

In 2008, Amayreh stated that "It is well known that Israel, through the numerous Zionist lobbies and pressure groups, more or less controls America's politics, media and financial institutions…. But America doesn't lack the brain power to know the facts and find out the truth about the umbilical connection between the Israeli factor and the ravaging financial crisis now facing the US… I am afraid there will be more bad news in this regard if America doesn't reclaim its liberty from the Zionist Robber [sic] Barons who have come to tightly control the American financial establishment." This article was picked up by many other blogs, Web sites, and listserves.[6][7] In 2010, Amayreh described Helen Thomas and Fidel Castro as the "elderly targets" of "Zionist supremacists from Tel Aviv to Los Angeles", supporting calls for Jewish invaders to return to Poland and their "native homelands". [8] In March 2011, he wrote that Israelis are "pathological liars and colonialist invaders from Eastern Europe" and that Jerusalem has been "violated and raped by Zionist Jews for many years". He described Zionism as a "genocidal, racist, rapacious, covetous, and of course utterly mendacious… a malignant cancer" and claimed that Israel wishes to erect a "Hebrew empire" encompassing "Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Kuwait, northern Saudi Arabia, northern Egypt and the islands of Crete and Cyprus"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_Amayreh

Disgusting purveyor of garbage.

Edit to add:

This quote from the article should have been a tip off:

"As far as evilness is concerned, even Satan himself learns from Israel."

[bemildred]

11. I won't post him except when Bibi compares Hamas to ISIS. nt

[oberliner]

13. I would encourage you to reconsider

Nasty anti-semites like the author of your OP ought never be posted here in my humble opinion except to show what hateful idiots they are (which I don't think was the reason you posted this disgusting screed, but I could be wrong).

[bemildred]

15. Never mind. nt

[LeftishBrit]

58. Why post him at all?

Bibi is an idiot and a sabre-rattler, and a RW nut in the thrall of even worse RW nuts. We know this from Bibi's own words and actions. We don't need to quote vile conspiracy-mongering anti-Semites to prove the point.

As a parallel, Mugabe is a horrible dictator; but would we wish to quote racists who oppose all black leaders as sources for this opinion? ISIS are vicious terrorists, but would we wish to quote Melanie Phillips' views as justification for this opinion?

[bemildred]

62. We have hate stuff all the time here. It's practically what I/P is.

We see every moronic thing Bibi and Lieberman and Bennett have to say, day in, day out. Palestinians are dehumanized here all day long. It's dangerous to even talk to them or think about them. They're all crazy you know? This guy I post though, even if he manages to avoid most of the usual antisemitic tropes, we have to make sure nobody knows what he thinks. It's taboo, like stupidity was infectious. I suppose it is.

[Jefferson23]

64. +1. I am trying my best to understand the objections I received about a thread I posted

where Alan Duncan is in support of the Palestinians in very clear terms.

These terms are what allegedly liberals would support in principle but do not
exert on behalf of the Palestinians.

What does it matter that he is a conservative to the Palestinians? How could
this man's openly expressed opinion damage domestic policy for the citizens
of the UK?

In plain English, what the fuck is the fear all about?

[LeftishBrit]

65. I fear the right wing in my country 'cos they're destroying it

That's what the fuck all the fear is about.

How would you react if someone quoted e.g. Paul Ryan in support of the Israelis/Palestinians/wherever?

I said myself that I don't disagree with Duncan about the settlements, though I suspect his motives (especially as he supported the Iraq war); but I don't particularly care for his being quoted as an authority on anything. Because he's helping to destroy my country.

I think the Palestine vote was a very good thing, though symbolic. But that doesn't mean that I don't hate all Tory politicians' guts.

[Jefferson23]

67. Your fear is displaced. I would be thrilled if Paul Ryan said anything close to what Duncan said.

Perhaps you feel liberals are too foolish and will proceed to align themselves with support
for a conservative over one issue, that is based on what prior election results?

No one is asking you to adopt a Tory position, and while the alleged liberals allow
Bibi to run roughshod over the Palestinians, they should feel some small comfort
in Duncan pointing a finger at the root of the problem. The liberals who were voted in
should be wondering why they're not doing the same.

[LeftishBrit]

69. If by 'the liberals' you mean the Labour Party...

the leadership did actively whip the MPs to vote to recognize Palestine. No Labour MP voted against recognition though some abstained. The 12 MPs who voted against recognition included 6 Tories, one Lib Dem and 5 Democratic Unionists (the Northern Ireland Protestants' main party, who I suspect may have made parallels with Palestinian statehood and Irish republicanism).

I welcome Duncan's vote for Palestinian statehood, but I will never regard him as a decent or reasonable individual.

'Perhaps you feel liberals are too foolish and will proceed to align themselves with support
for a conservative over one issue, that is based on what prior election results?'

Unfortunately, many people are indeed easily swayed by Tory rhetoric. I don't think that in Britain many people are going to vote mainly on the basis of policies toward Palestine or Israel; but it's not uncommon for an election to be swayed by a single issue as used by the media or by charismatic politicians. To give examples: the Falklands War in the 1983 election; the council house sales in the 1987 election; perception of Gordon Brown's personality vs Cameron's in the 2010 election. And immigration, whipped up by RW media in virtually every election. I just don't think people like Duncan need encouraging, especially when support for Palestinian statehood is by now a normal viewpoint in the UK anyway - why not quote Ed Miliband on the subject for instance?

I'm probably the only semi-regular I/P poster who's British, so I can see that some of my political concerns are probably minority ones. Our election is in 7 months time and I'm in a bit of a tizzy about it. Labour are 4 points ahead in the last poll, but with the way Cameron et al have been fucking things up, it should be more. But I've said my piece about Duncan, and will shut up now.

[Jefferson23]

70. Please do not shut up on my account. Whether we agree or not, I appreciate hearing

your point of view. For one, you live there, I don't.

I/P is a nightmare for the Palestinians, and I feel the political powers that be have done
nothing to live up to their obligations. Duncan does not need to be a liberal in order to be a
voice is how I see it and I don't feel liberals are fooled very easily. Although the words coming
from him should be from the left in your government...I am not aware that collectively, the left
in the UK government has ever placed such specific words together to call out the Israeli government as
Duncan has done recently.

It must be said and I appreciate he did so and if he makes the left in your government feel
uncomfortable for having said it, all the better.


Best of luck on your coming elections, sincerely.

[LeftishBrit]

78. It's not because of anything you said; just that this isn't the UK forum

And I don't think Alan Duncan is likely to be the main topic of interest to most Americans.

Anyway, thanks for your good wishes for our elections! We need all the luck we can get.

I don't think Duncan's views specifically on Palestine make the left uncomfortable. The British left has very varied views on Israel/Palestine. Most though not all support the Palestinian statehood declaration, and some are very pro-Palestinian.

[LeftishBrit]

66. Usually when Bibi et al are quoted it's to object to them

Or just to say what's happening: i.e. as news, not opinion.

Certainly I object to the use of any sort of hate-site, as an authority, and oppose the use of the Gatestone Institute as a valid site, quite as much as Occupied Palestine.

I do realize that you often (unlike many people) quote pieces that may provoke thought, even if you disagree with them. So I'm not accusing you of supporting everyone you quote.

It's just I think that a progressive site can manage without quoting hate-sites as an authority on something.

[bemildred]

68. I read everybody. I think it's progressive to read everybody.

I don't like censorship. I am not afraid of words.

[lofty1]

17. Anti-Zionist

The author is a true blue anti-Zionist. There is a difference between an anti-Semite and an anti-Zionist.

[oberliner]

18. My mistake

Thanks for pointing that out for me.

[Mosby]

25. So these quotes are not anti-semitic in your opinion

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"Israel is simply waging a war of extermination against a thoroughly persecuted people whose only "crime" is its enduring vigor and longing for freedom from the shackles of Talmudic Jewish Nazism, a Satanic ideology which views all humanity-save Jews-as animals whose lives have absolutely no sanctity."

"We Palestinians have been at the receiving end of Jewish criminality and murderousness for several decades."

What do you think?

[King_David]

42. Fucking bigoted vile pos Jew Hating

Antisemite / AntiZionist.

( but if anyone wants to sanitize this jerk let's call him antiZioniost cos that's more PC)

[LeftishBrit]

59. Yes, there certainly is; and Amayreh falls into the latter category.

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'These obsequious westerners are themselves fettered and shackled by a Zionist stranglehold unprecedented in its viciousness' is definitely anti-Semitic rather than just anti-Zionist. Israel does not have the size, economic power or military power to control America or Europe on its own, so this accusation is definitely implying Jewish conspiracies.

If you don't accept this as evidence, there is Amayreh's remark in another article:

'a criminal state which teaches its citizens that only the world’s 10 or 12 million Jews are bona fide human beings while the rest of humanity (6.5-7 billion human beings) are beasts walking on two legs whom the Almighty created to serve the supreme race'

And the use of the term 'Judeo-Nazis'.

I do NOT think that criticism of Israel or even anti-Zionism is anti-Semitic; but I think that Amayreh's rhetoric definitely is.

[King_David]

19. He used to be a prolific talkback commentator on Haaretz nt

[oberliner]

24. He also likes to compare Israel (unfavorably) to Nazi Germany

Not even subtle about it:

Israel Is Carrying Out a Holocaust Against Palestinian Families

By Khalid Amayreh

Some choice excerpts:

"Israel, a notorious professional liar whose agents control western media outlets from Sydney to California, is misleading the international community as to what is really happening in the Gaza Strip."

and

"Israel is simply waging a war of extermination against a thoroughly persecuted people whose only "crime" is its enduring vigor and longing for freedom from the shackles of Talmudic Jewish Nazism, a Satanic ideology which views all humanity-save Jews-as animals whose lives have absolutely no sanctity."

and

"We Palestinians have been at the receiving end of Jewish criminality and murderousness for several decades."

But of course, he's just an anti-Zionist, not an anti-semite as noted above.

[lofty1]

28. Semitic semantics

Palestinians are Semites too.

[sabbat hunter]

33. antisemite

means anti-jewish. It has nothing to do with Palestinians being semetic.

[azurnoir]

35. perhaps it's time for that Victorian era coinage to be brought more up to date?

I know it will a struggle as few coinages are are quite so all encompassing in their usage nor are many quite so fraught with automatic Nazi/Holocuast imagery are they?

[King_David]

43. Why to satisfy the bigots who keep

Reminding us of the mantra?

[lofty1]

40. A German anti-Semite coined the term

to describe his feelings about Jews in the 1800's. I know what the term "antisemite" has come to mean, but its use implies that Jews are the only Semitic people that have been persecuted. It is not correct to use it when describing a Palestinian.

[King_David]

44. Rubbish.

An argument in of itself more reflective and revealing of the person presenting it.

Without fail .

[sabbat hunter]

46. no it does not

in any way imply that jews are the only semitic people that have been persecuted.

It means anti-jew plain and simple.

[King_David]

31. He is truly a hateful person.

Extremist , right wing.

[azurnoir]

32. full title-#GazaUnderAttack | Israel is carrying out a holocaust against Palestinian families

and it may well have seemed that way to a Palestinian living in the occupied territories as the author does

The title of this brief article is not a hyperbole or a dramatic overstatement meant to attract attention or gain sympathy. It is rather a reflection of reality.

Indeed, if a holocaust is about annihilating people, especially civilians, the Israeli army, the Wehrmacht of our time, has been exterminating entire Palestinian families-the father, the mother and all the children.

We are not speaking about one isolated incident or a few incidents where one stray missile hit a home inadvertently or children killed as a result of collateral damage.

We are rather talking about an official policy endorsed and pursued by the government of Israel to wipe out numerous Palestinian households for the purpose of bringing the Palestinians to their knees.

This is Israel’s way of wreaking shock and awe on the defenseless and helpless Palestinians.

So far, more than 36 entire Gaza households have been targeted by Israeli bombing.

http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2014/07/20/gazaunderattack-israel-is-carrying-out-a-holocaust-against-palestinian-families/

[oberliner]

37. Disgusting

Please delete link to hate site.

We don't need that filth linked to here.

[azurnoir]

41. The site "Occupied Palestine" has been used in the I/P forum/group on DU for years

in fact at least as long back as I can remember and that would be January of 2006, so I am not quite sure why you would attempt to label it a hate site now

[Mosby]

51. bullshit

Post a DU link. It's a horribly Antisemitic website.

I just read a little on that site, is this something you support?

http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2014/07/31/israel-deserves-a-nobel-prize-but-gets-a-wall-of-shame-israelwallofshame/

[azurnoir]

52. it seems you are accusing me of being a liar? yes or no?

BTW it should be noted every article from that publication that has been used as an example here was written during Israel's invasion of Gaza last summer

[Mosby]

53. where is a DU link to occupied palestine?

The facts speak for themselves, support your claim or admit you were wrong.

And once again, is this the kind of website you're going to endorse?

http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2014/07/31/israel-deserves-a-nobel-prize-but-gets-a-wall-of-shame-israelwallofshame/

It's Jew hating at it's worst.

[azurnoir]

54. every example is from last summer during Operation Protective Edge

I'm not searching 8 years of I/P for a link to "prove" myself, if you wish to call me a liar so be it- no surprise

[King_David]

45. How can you link to a hate site here on DU ?

Please delete your link.

Such wonderful articles as :

#GazaUnderAttack | Obama: Coward par excellence
By Khalid Amayreh

[azurnoir]

48. As I said Occuapied Palestine has been used here for as long back as I remember

if you wish to call it a hate site be my guest, however when complaining about about titles condemning Barack Obama it's a bit odd you had absolutely no problem with this one. who's rightwing author disguises herself as an organization but is the sole person mentioned in the "Who we are" section and who blames the Mid East conflict last summer on Obama or his moral relativism

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=80286

Anne Bayefsky "Obama's obscene moral relativism"

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/07/12/israel-crisis-obama-moral-relativism/

http://www.humanrightsvoices.org/site/about/who/

[Jefferson23]

49. Excellent, thank you. n/t

[King_David]

50. I never posted that OP

You did post this link.

[azurnoir]

55. I never said you posted the OP but did you comment on the thread it created?

[BillZBubb]

12. What makes the American right wing claim Obama is a Muslim?

Same basic tactic. It works on the ill-informed and dim-witted.

[azurnoir]

14. well such a contention covers a number of bases

it helps whip up fear, mainly in the US, where he has the ear of those opposed to the Obama/Kerry peace efforts
can help make the results of this past summers military exercise in Gaza seem more justified
and in seeming conflict help distract from the situation in the West Bank and justify continuing if not outright strengthening the military occupation there

[bemildred]

16. It is a rich, active field of study. nt

[msongs]

21. based on 4000 years of history, the Israelites and ISIS have a lot more in common than do

Hamas and ISIS

[oberliner]

23. "As far as evilness is concerned, even Satan himself learns from Israel."

The author of the article would seem to agree with you.

[sabbat hunter]

34. who are

the israelites in current times?

[King_David]

47. 4000 years ?

What history?

You come down here regularly and talk about the "Israelites"

WTF are you talking about ?

Unless you explain and it's a satisfactory explanation I think we should all vote you off this island .

[LeftishBrit]

60. 4000 years? I don't even know what you are referring to.

All that '4000 years' of history tell us is that HUMANS are sometimes capable of enormous violence.

And perhaps that ISIS are so reactionary that they still engage in activities and attitudes that might have been generally common 4000 years ago, but that more rational groups abandoned sometime during that period.

By the way, there are no 'Israelites' nowadays: the citizens of that country are 'Israelis'.

[Warpy]

26. They all look alike?

Or maybe Bibi realizes how much negative PR Israel got for that lopsided war in Gaza.

[bemildred]

36. +1.

Or "It's hard to tell them apart with those loose robes they all wear".

[djean111]

29. I believe that perhaps Netanyahu is hoping that hey, if Hamas = ISIS, then we could just

go ahead and drone and bomb the Palestinians while we are doing that to other parts of the Middle East. Then, of course, the US will pay to have the rubble cleared and housing built for the Israelis who move in, after Israel annexes everything that remains.

[oberliner]

38. Also by this author: "No forgiveness for Jewish Nazism"

I will no longer be using euphemistic language in reference to Jewish Nazism, especially in light of the latest Dresden-like bombing of Gaza by the Judeo-Nazi state, also known as Israel.

The pornographic death and destruction inflicted by the Judeo-Nazi state on the innocent population of Gaza must be treated as a watershed. It is the Auschwitz, Mauthauzen and Dachau of Palestine. The victims are the helpless children and women of Palestine. And the perpetrators are the Nazi-minded Jews who wanted to avenge the German-perpetrated holocaust in the course of the Second World War.

From now on, I will not listen to anyone preaching about peace with the Judeo-Nazi state. In the final analysis, peace with Israel would be very much like peace with Hitler if only because Hitlerian Nazism and Jewish Nazism are carbon copies of each other.

<link to where this filth is published redacted - google it if you must>

Just in case folks want to get a fuller picture of the author...

[King_David]

63. What a disgusting man. nt

[Ken Burch]

90. The Israeli government is obsessed with spreading the idea that "the Palestinian leadership"

is the cause and the only major reason for the I/P dispute,and that nothing else matters but "Crush(ing)Hamas" (even though it's not actually possible to crush that organization and even though there's no actual evidence that crushing it, if that were possible, would lead to any better "leadership" in Gaza or the West Bank).

They are also fixated on distracting the world's attention from the fact that one of the major reasons Hamas has the power it does is that, before Hamas emerged as a political player, the Israelis were obsessed with discrediting the PLO as the leadership of the Palestinian side, and were secretly encouraging Hamas to challenge the PLO on the "enemy of my enemy" theory.

What the Israeli leadership(involving governments of more than one party, for the record)always forgot, though, was that discrediting one leadership and then trying to create another in its place was not the same as making the previous leadership, and its weaponry and cadre, vanish from the scene. That previous leadership was always going to be there and was always going to have just as many guns and bombs as it had before, and would continue to use those weapons even if Israeli diplomats somehow managed to sign an "agreement" with a leadership of Israel's choosing.

You'd think the emergence of Hamas would have taught them this, but it still hasn't sunk in. Netanyanu and Co. are STILL trying to hand-pick a Palestinian "leadership" of their own choosing, regardless of the fact that such an agreement would be useless and meaningless.

Or it could be that Netanyany WANTS to sign such an "agreement", and then have lack of buy-in from other Palestinian factions make that agreement irrelevant, just to vindicate the "no partner for peace" meme and thereby force the world to give his regime what he believes the world owes it...unconditional, unquestioning support for whatever measures that regime chooses to use to "defeat the terrorists".

(that fact that getting this kind of global agreement would cause massive increases in illegal West Bank settlement expansion would be, in Netanyahu's eyes, a happy accident.)

[oberliner]

91. I can't believe people are still seriously responding to this article

And giving legitimacy to this disgusting, vile anti-semite.

That anyone could respond to this dreck with anything other than: "get this garbage off DU" is startling.

For those who didn't read it carefully, this is an article that contains the line:

"As far as evilness is concerned, even Satan himself learns from Israel"

From a writer who has written things like:

"Hitlerian Nazism and Jewish Nazism are carbon copies of each other."

[Ken Burch]

92. I was responding only to the thread title. Hadn't read the article and don't endorse it.

Now that I've cleared that up...can you seriously quarrel with any point I made in that post?

[bemildred]

93. Knesset member says IDF is like Islamic State

Israeli Arab Knesset member Hanin Zoabi compared Israel Defense Forces soldiers to Islamic State terrorists on Sunday, saying that a pilot who bombs Palestinians “is no less a terrorist than someone who takes a knife and cuts off someone’s head.

“They kill one by one with their knife, and in the IDF they kill dozens of Palestinians with one button,” the Balad party MK told Channel 2. “Though the soldier remains in the plane when he bombs, and though he doesn’t see his victim… he is no less a terrorist than someone who takes a knife and cuts off a head. And someone who takes pictures with bodies, laughs with bodies of Palestinians — I don’t think he is any less of a terrorist than someone who cuts off a head. They’re killing more than the knife.

“M16s, tanks, and aerial bombings that kill dozens and hundreds, are more terrorists than the knife… They take pictures here and take pictures there, here they take pictures with the knife and there they take pictures with bodies, with their bodies, and are also laughing.

“I say that both of them are armies of murderers, they have no limit and they have no red line,” she added.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/knesset-member-says-idf-is-like-islamic-state/

[bemildred]

94. Labor MK: Zoabi Should Just Shut Up

MK Itzik Shmuli (Labor) blasted MK Hanin Zoabi on Sunday night, after she said that IDF soldiers are “worse terrorists than ISIS." While ISIS members “kill one person each time with their knife, the IDF [kills] tens of Palestinians with one button,” she said.

In a post on his Facebook page, Shmuli used unusually harsh language to condemn Zoabi, suggesting that the controversial MK “shut up”.

"Yes, I know...it’s all within the framework of freedom of speech, but it’s really about time that she just shut up,” wrote Shmuli.

“There is nothing here but a provocation and certainly not a legitimate argument between right and left, but a fundamentalist hater of Israel who knows how to fully take advantage of Israeli democracy,” he added.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/186316

[oberliner]

95. Imagine if a US Congress member said that about the US Army

How long would they hold their seat?

[bemildred]

96. Liberman calls Arab Balad party ‘a wing of Hamas’

Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman on Monday accused the Israeli-Arab Balad party of assisting Hamas, a day after one of its members said the IDF was worse than the Islamic State terror group.

The comment, from MK Hanin Zoabi, sparked a flurry of criticism Sunday including from some on Israel’s left, who said the outspoken lawmaker had gone too far.

Liberman joined the fray Monday, pledging to advance legislation to disqualify the party from running in future elections.

“The Balad party has become a wing of Hamas, and it helps it while using the Knesset to advance terror, and taking advantage of the MKs’ parliamentary immunity,” the foreign minister said in a statement.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/liberman-calls-arab-balad-party-a-wing-of-hamas/

[oberliner]

97. He's been saying that for a while

“While Israel is still in a difficult campaign against Hamas terrorists, Balad lawmakers traveled to Qatar and demonstrated support for Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal and his cronies.”

Liberman also called the party a “fifth column representing terrorist organizations in the Knesset.”

http://www.jta.org/2014/08/18/news-opinion/israel-middle-east/qatar-visit-by-balad-lawmakers-spurs-call-for-ban-on-arab-israeli-party#ixzz3Ggzpz8xY

[bemildred]

98. Yes, the habit of rhetorical excess and cleverness does thwart all real communication.

Which is not easy to accomplish even in ideal circumstances.

To be honest, my first reaction is "Ted Cruz", it's like, what politicians do these days, all of them.