Israeli Doctor Dies Fighting for ISIS

[King_David]

Barzilai Medical Center in the southern Israel coastal city of Ashkelon confirmed on Sunday that one of its doctors had recently joined the Islamic State (formerly known as ISIS) and had been killed while fighting for the Islamist horde in Syria.

Athman Abed Al-Kayan, 23, had recently completed his studies in neighboring Jordan and had returned to Israel to intern at Barzilai. He was scheduled to begin a second internship at Soroka Medical Center in Beersheva in May of this year, but never showed up.

Nearly six months ago, Al-Kayan suddenly decided to travel to Turkey with a friend, not an unusual journey for young Israeli Jews and Arabs to make. But when he failed to return home, Al-Kayan’s family went searching for him.

“We located the hotel they were staying in and found their belongings there. At the hotel we were told they hired a car and just left. We waited for them, but after two days when they didn’t come back we went back to Israel,” Al-Kayan’s brother told Israel’s Ynet news portal. “Police told us that they probably left Turkey for Syria.”


http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/25424/Default.aspx

[King_David]

1. "He was scheduled to begin a second internship at Soroka Medical Center in Beersheva"

What kind of piss poor apartheid is that.

[Scootaloo]

2. That's nothing

Can you believe people think there's racism in the United States? There's a black president, for crying out loud!

[King_David]

3. I don't really understand your post nt

[Scootaloo]

4. Would you like me to explain it?

Or do you prefer pretending to be lost and confused?

[caine1969]

5. I don't understand your post.

[bravenak]

6. I understand.

[King_David]

7. Pass

[oberliner]

8. I'll take a shot at it

I think the poster is saying that just because there are Israeli Arabs who work in Israeli hospitals does not mean that Israel doesn't practice apartheid in the same way that just because the US has an African-American president, doesn't mean there isn't racism in America.

[Scootaloo]

9. I don't understand

[King_David]

10. Thanks

I understood that , I am trying not to engage that poster I guess just not replying is a better option.

Thanks for clarifying.

The part that is also puzzling is that this doctor studied in Jordan and his education was recognized in Israel.

[oberliner]

12. I wonder if he would have even considered himself an Israeli

Palestinian citizen of Israel perhaps - or maybe just Palestinian? or Bedouin?

[shaayecanaan]

16. I dont know that thats relevant

I dare say he wasnt motivated by any anti-Israel animus, or else he would have joined Hamas and stayed at home rather than joining ISIS and fighting Assad.

I imagine that people have a range of reasons for wanting to join ISIS. Probably there are a large number of disenchanted young Arab men who have manliness issues just like the American kids that join the IDF. Others may want to participate in the formation of a society that they hope will be free of the decadence, corruption and mire that typifies many Arab societies today. Others probably are genuinely motivated to try and rid Syria of a regime, which, it must be said has treated its people horribly at times.

[oberliner]

17. A different headline might yield a different reaction

"Israeli Doctor Dies Fighting for ISIS" vs. "Palestinian Doctor Dies Fighting for ISIS"

[shaayecanaan]

20. Right wing papers tend to be very averse

to acknowledging Arab Israelis as Palestinians.

[sabbat hunter]

11. this guy

was either a moron despite being a doctor, or mentally disturbed.

[Israeli]

14. I have a question for you and LeftishBrit .....

If this guy is " either a moron despite being a doctor, or mentally disturbed. " and " a lunatic! "
....considering that he went to a foreign country to fight and die for an ideology/religion that he obviously believed in enough to die for .....

What makes him any different from the Diaspora young that come here and join the IDF and fight and die for an ideology/religion that they obviously believe enough in to die for ??????

[LeftishBrit]

18. While I don't support the latter either, especially right now, there is a HUGE difference between

ISIS and the IDF, or indeed almost any organization.

I have objected several times to equating Hamas with ISIS, and goodness knows I'm not a fan of Hamas. But ISIS are completely over the edge.

But what is true is that terrorists and warmongers, though in my view 'insane' in the sense that they are advocating, and destroying others and often themselves for, ideologies that are against all reason, tend (according to research) not to be mentally disturbed in the literal sense; i.e. they would not be diagnosed as psychotic, and often appear normal in all ways but the one. I still think it's 'lunacy' in the more metaphorical sense as against all reason.

[sabbat hunter]

19. that pretty much

nails it for me too.

I also don't see the IDF saying that they will kill all infidels, raise the israeli flag around the world at the white house, at Buckingham Palace, etc.
Additionally, I don't see the IDF taking innocents, filming them as they decapitate them and broadcasting it on the internet for the world to see.


Finally almost all of the religious extremists that come to Israel, don't join the IDF, but instead sequester themselves off in a building to study the torah. You do have some in the west bank that do stupid insane stuff, as we have seen, but that is a tiny minority of those that come to Israel to emigrate. All of those that go to ISIS do so to "join the jihad and kill the infidels"

[Israeli]

22. Not about the IDF or ISIS ...

" Finally almost all of the religious extremists that come to Israel, don't join the IDF, but instead sequester themselves off in a building to study the torah. You do have some in the west bank that do stupid insane stuff, as we have seen, but that is a tiny minority of those that come to Israel to emigrate. "

I was not referring to those that emigrate or to religious extremists but to those that come here from abroad to serve in the IDF and then return to their own country ....and of those there are many both male and female although usually for different reasons .

[Israeli]

21. I was not comparing the IDF with ISIS ....

You have completely misunderstood my question .

" What makes him any different from the Diaspora young that come here and join the IDF and fight and die for an ideology/religion that they obviously believe enough in to die for ??? "

Looks to me that shaayecanaan and I are on the same page with this one .

[LeftishBrit]

23. OK. That wasn't actually why I called him a lunatic...

it was his joining ISIS at all; especially given that he was obviously highly educated, and exposed to alternative philosophies.


'What makes him any different from the Diaspora young that come here and join the IDF and fight and die for an ideology/religion that they obviously believe enough in to die for ??? "'

Just that it was ISIS that he fought for - a very different matter from the IDF, or the British or American Army, or even Hamas. It is a terrifyingly extreme organization. His joining the organization as a foreigner was not the part that made him 'nuts' in my eyes.

ETA: I have indeed some sympathy with someone going to fight against the Syrian government (though I would not recommend it!, any more than getting near many other Middle Eastern powder-kegs - e.g. the Iraq war!); but there are many groups within Syria that have done/ are doing so, other than ISIS. Assad and ISIS are not the only alternatives in Syria, even if each sometimes presents it in this way.

[shaayecanaan]

15. presuming he got into the JUST medical school

he would have had to have been very clever. The cutoff rates to get in are something like 98% these days.

[LeftishBrit]

13. What a lunatic!