Palestinian moves to join ICC have nothing to do with justice

[Fozzledick]

RECENT Palestinian moves to join the International Criminal Court are one more step in the decades-long campaign to vilify Israel and brand it in world opinion as “evil incarnate”.

It is a direct continuation of the “placard strategy” of anti-Israel activism, whereby Israel and Zionism are equated — whether in demonstration placards, speeches or writings — with a series of words: colonialism, apartheid, ethnic cleansing and genocide. These words are not chosen because they somehow reflect ­reality but because they are universally considered evil.

The effect of the continuous repeating of Zionism/Israel = Evil is to create an intellectual environment in which physically ridding the world of Israel would be considered desirable, even noble.

The purpose of the Palestinian moves in the ICC is to achieve official international sanction for branding Israel with the term “war criminal”, thereby adding an internationally sanctioned legitimacy to the placards used to vilify Israel and Zionism.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/palestinian-moves-to-join-icc-have-nothing-to-do-with-justice/story-e6frg6zo-1227215071295

The irony of course is that the Palestinians who wage aggressive war and terrorism against Israel truly are war criminals, and the useful idiots who support them are willing accomplices.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

1. Wouldn't Palestine joining the ICC open up their own

war criminals to be tried BY the ICC?

[azurnoir]

2. Did you click the link? it's a subscriber only article

I'm wondering if the OP is depending on folks not clicking the link

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[R. Daneel Olivaw]

3. Something comes to mind when I see these posts of desperation, azurnoir.

First they ignore you,

then the laugh at you,

then they fight you,

and then you win.


Which stage to you see happening now?

[Fozzledick]

7. I see BDST supporters at the "repeating the same actions and expecting different results" stage.

Just stuck in an endless insane loop, needlessly prolonging a war that was lost decades ago while keeping the Palestinian people trapped in a stateless no-man's land despite repeated Israeli peace offers.

[azurnoir]

15. Hmmm I remember reading South African apartheid supporters saying the same thing

it took 40 years but in the end.....

[Fozzledick]

19. No even close, but here's some reality for you.

South African Jews hit back against BDS with Mandela billboards

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113495159

[azurnoir]

21. here some more reality apparently Mandela was a friend of Arafat's

Meotti writes that in 1990, “Mandela likened Israel to a ‘terrorist state’ and declared that ‘we do not regard the PLO as a terrorist organization. If one has to refer to any parties as a terrorist state, one might refer to the Israeli government because they are the people who are slaughtering defenseless and innocent Arabs in the occupied territories.”

Further, “In 1999 Mandela supported the Palestinian Arab use of violence. With Arafat seated next to him in Gaza, Mandela declared: ‘All men and women with vision choose peace rather than confrontation, except in cases where we cannot proceed, where we cannot move forward. Then if the only alternative is violence, we will use violence,’” Meotti writes.

http://www.vosizneias.com/148660/2013/12/08/jerusalem-in-op-ed-italian-journalist-says-mandela-was-an-enemy-of-israel/

[pennylane100]

22. I am not familiar with Israel peace offers.

Does that entail giving back all the land they have acquired since 1967. Does that entail stopping settlers in the acquired
territories from planting new trees when the Israel's destroy the current ones. Does that entail the segregation of Israel Arabs into schools in Israel. Does that entail collective punishment of Palestinian civilians by destroying their homes as punishment from terrorist activities of relatives, activities they have no control over. Does that mean that Israel with start complying with the hundreds of UN resolutions that have been issued against Israel. Does that entail stopping the acquisition, often without compensation of Palestinian land in the occupied territories. Does that entail the taking responsibility for the shelling of innocent civilians in the last attack on Gaza when they bombed schools and hospitals. Does that entail lifting the blockade on Gaza so that the citizens of that area can get access to food and medicine. Does that entail the censuring of an Israeli politician the called for the genocide of Palestinians.

Yes, I know that Palestinian rockets into Gaza started it and the activities of these terrorist is also criminal, but that not make the killing of innocent people acceptable. However, since there is apparently a peace offering in play, please share the details so we can make an informed decision on which side is acting reasonable during the peace talk process.

http://www.seamac.org/warcrime.htm
http://www.mintpressnews.com/israel-threatens-intl-criminal-court-with-retribution-if-war-crime-investigations-continue/201967/
http://www.mintpressnews.com/israel-threatens-intl-criminal-court-with-retribution-if-war-crime-investigations-continue/201967/
http://www.israeli-occupation.org/about/status-of-the-ioa/

[Fozzledick]

4. Sorry about that - I got in from Google News with no problem or warning.

[leftynyc]

5. All you have to do is google

it and it comes up in a cache:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/palestinian-moves-to-join-icc-have-nothing-to-do-with-justice/story-e6frg6zo-1227215071295

[azurnoir]

6. and I get the very exact same thing nice save attempt though

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[leftynyc]

8. Just google it

Then click on the very first link and the story comes up. You're the only one having a problem with this (to the surprise of absolutely nobody).

[azurnoir]

9. oh so I'm the only one? or I'm the one who brought it to light?

no I am not searching Google for a article that is subscriber only, such obvious bigoted nonsense can be found without doing a search for it

[leftynyc]

11. And so we finally fall upon the real truth

You having ZERO desire to read an article that doesn't conform to your worldview. You weren't really fooling anyone anyway.

[azurnoir]

13. No I have zero desire for copywrite issues if there were not any the article could be posted

in a straight forward manner without going through mechanizations to simply read it, and the Australian does not offer free articles like Haaretz either

[leftynyc]

16. Of course

whatever you say.

[azurnoir]

20. yes whatever I say why would I lie? I read rightwing stuff in group all the time

in fact publications the ilk of the algeminer, Gatestone Institute, and arutz sheva are normal here so why would not read this one?

[bravenak]

10. Click on the back link.

It takes you to it. Be nice if somebody could just say that without the snark.

[azurnoir]

12. if it can not be posted in a straight forward manner perhaps there are copywrite issues at hand?

[bravenak]

14. Maybe they don't want to share it you mean?

I think it's just greed. They really really want subscribers.

[azurnoir]

17. well isn't subscribers or paying customers the purpose? the australian does have articles that can

be accessed for free, this isn't one of them

[bravenak]

18. I, personally, would find an easy to access article.

Mondoweiss seems pretty accessible. They should try that source or even Ynet. I never hav issues with those sites.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

23. One like you might see it that way since you don't believe that Palestinians have civil rights.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=95068

"As a matter of fact, there IS no such thing as Palestinian civil rights."

-Fozzledick

The above being the case I can see how there is some animosity in your post.

What is the percent of Palestinians that you would consider trusting? Do you consider them all to be terrorists?