9/11 Truth Movement Trying to Co-opt the Occupy Movement?

[Make7]

Last edited Thu Dec 15, 2011, 03:27 AM - Edit history (1)

[font size=3]9/11 Truth Movement Trying to Co-opt the Occupy Movement?[/font]

Please spread to individual Occupy movement supporters, affiliated groups, websites, and forums.

This is a plea for the Occupy movement to drop any preconceived notions about, and take careful consideration of, forming an alliance with the 9/11 truth movement, specifically the OccupyBuilding7.org campaign, (an offshoot of the RememberBuilding7.org campaign) spearheaded by 9/11 family members. Please read the entire argument.

Counter to cries that "9/11 truthers are trying to co-opt the Occupy movement" for our "own fringe uses," these issues are arguably inescapably intertwined, and 9/11 truth is far from fringe anymore. I'll start with the latter.

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[ixion]

1. or, 911debunkers trying to co-opt the Occupy Movement...

It goes both ways, you see.

[Bolo Boffin]

2. The 911debunkers website promotes 9/11 Truth. n/t

[Make7]

4. This thread really doesn't deserve to be pinned. Are you just testing things? ( n/t )

[greyl]

5. I agree. nt

[Make7]

11. I liked your reply better before the edit. LOL!

BTW - I never even scrolled down on that site and saw the links you mentioned below. If I had, I would have tried finding a similar article elsewhere. Mostly I just started this thread to see if anyone was around to discuss something other than DU3 related issues or joke threads. I guess not...

[greyl]

12. :) Good to hear.

I edited to sound more gentle or civil.

I was going to post some videos of Truthers showing up at unrelated protests, but since it looks like DU2 and 3 will take a nap tonight, I'll wait.

It'll definitely be interesting to watch and participate in how things play out here.

[Bolo Boffin]

6. A test and the most likely subject available.

On topic, from a creatively speculative point of view, and something worth talking about.

[greyl]

7. May I ask what's being tested?

Respectfully, I'd be utterly shocked if links like that one (which does include links to other sites previously banned on DU2) are what the Admins had in mind as good candidates for pinned threads in here.

It's more of a 911 Truth Movement news item than creative speculation about a 9/11 conspiracy, imo.

[Bolo Boffin]

8. It's a worthwhile topic.

I saw at some point that Luke Rudkowski was involved in the Occupy Wall Street protest. Whether one thinks 9/11 Truth is glomming onto the Occupy movement or is legitimately a part of Occupy is something to discuss.

[greyl]

9. Right, but I'm not at all suggesting it shouldn't be discussed.

I was hoping to get your reasoning on why you think it's pinworthy, and I was curious about what you're testing.
If you think it would be best to continue in the Group Hosts forum, that's cool.

[Bolo Boffin]

10. Well, it's pinworthy right now because there's not much else to choose from.

I don't think pinning it is necessarily an endorsement of the writing or the argument. Just that it's something I'd think most people would have an opinion on and would be worth discussing.

I'm testing both the host software and the ability to stimulate any discussion on the forum.

[Grateful for Hope]

14. I agree.

Wondered why it was pinned.

[Bolo Boffin]

16. I pinned it because

I was trying to encourage some topical discussion. That's why Make7 posted it, but I don't see pinning in this context as meaning I agree with the article or that I consider an example of a well-written or a poorly-written article.

However, I do think the general subject (the relationship between the 9/11 Truth movement and the Occupy movement) is worth exploring. The article is from the perspective of a 9/11 Truth advocate who claims that 9/11 Truth and the Occupy movement is of the same cloth. I disagree, but I thought I'd see what discussion came out of a consideration of it.

My mistake is not clearly stating why I was pinning the article when I did so. At the very least, I think that anyone who pins an article in the future here should do so. If the beta had gone on for long and other better threads appeared, I would have unpinned this one and pinned those. Kind of like a flavor of the month/week pinning. And then there would be more permanent pinnings, like an expansion of the Statement of Purpose or House Rules, etc. And at the time, I thought the forums would be wiped clean anyway following the beta. That didn't happen and so there they sit.

[Grateful for Hope]

17. Thank you for the explanation and I like the suggestion for the future, Bolo.

[Make7]

18. Threads should live or die based on whether or not people reply to them.

That's the basic idea, isn't it? Popular threads stay at the top for people to see, unpopular ones fall to the bottom.

I would think that pinning threads should be reserved for group/forum business/announcements that are either permanent or that are important for people to read/discuss for an extended period of time (e.g. the Please read thread at DU2-September11, your Does this group need a permanent host? thread here).

[canetoad]

21. Agree

Forum business and/or announcements only.

I've seen pinned threads on other boards grow to be the first eight or ten threads. Very off-putting.

[Bolo Boffin]

22. "for people to read/discuss for an extended period of time"

The beta test was short-term. I wanted to see if I could get a discussion going, beside snide little "God, is this where all the freaks are going to hang out" bullshit threads.

On this we're just going to have to disagree.

[Make7]

24. No, I don't think we are really that much in disagreement...

... I think our time references might not the same.

We both thought that when the actually switch-over to DU3 happened all of the posts we made here prior to that would be vanished. So I understand that you were testing the functionality of being a Host by doing the things they will be called upon to do. I have no problems with anything you did filling that temporary duty.

My last reply was just stating my opinion that for the future (now that DU3 is up and running) normal threads should be allowed to have the DU members decide if they are worthy of discussion by actually replying to them and kicking them to the top of the forum. I felt my thread fell in the normal topic discussion thread category and should be left to live or die on its own - that's pretty much what I was saying, not that you intended to have the thread pinned for eternity. I think the Admin threw a lot of us for a loop when all of our posts remained.

One thing I have noticed in the DU2 Dungeon is that people there tend to have pretty strong opinions. Trying to reach some consensus on how this tiny corner of DU3 should run may take a little bit of time - there is quite a bit of history between many of us. Hopefully more people will stop by and throw their two cents in.

[loudsue]

15. What does getting "pinned" mean?

I must have missed that part.

[Make7]

19. It keeps a thread at the top of the forum even if no one replies to it. ( n/t )

[loudsue]

23. Thanks! n/t

[Make7]

3. No, I'm afraid I don't see. Can you post an example of debunkers trying to co-opt Occupy?

I'm not sure I see how that would be accomplished.

[orpupilofnature57]

13. Besides the subject of the tyrrany perpetrated by the 1%

The Gunpowder plot, Wellington making it back to London first,the great business plot, and The grassy knoll all tie in.

[sadge goddess]

20. No. The two political parties (with the same monstrous body) are trying to co-opt the OWS movement.

Truthers= anti-Dems/Reps naturally. They are dissatisfied because they were told to wait UNTIL (Dems had control of Congress or whatever the latest carrot is) and then they get screwed anyhow. So this is why Ron Paul is so popular, but if Bernie Sanders decided to run, I am sure he'd be an OWS hero, too.