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MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:45 AM Dec 2013

FINAL EPISODE, 50 Reasons for 50 Years…

The Bigger Picture…

Filmmaker Oliver Stone discusses conflict behind the scenes during John Kennedy's administration. Philosophic and strategic differences between Kennedy and the national security establishment were exposed during tense Cold War standoffs.

Webmaster David Ratcliffe reads from Vincent Salandria's influential essay "The JFK Assassination: A False Mystery Concealing State Crimes".

Host Len Osanic concludes with insights from Dealey Plaza in the aftermath of the shooting on November 22, 1963.


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FINAL EPISODE, 50 Reasons for 50 Years… (Original Post) MrMickeysMom Dec 2013 OP
One reason for 40 years William Seger Dec 2013 #1
The place it holds up best... MrMickeysMom Dec 2013 #2
On Planet Seger it seems that the accused gets a presumption of guilt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #3
I can't convict Oswald and you can't exonerate him William Seger Dec 2013 #4
Right, so you find flaws in the "reasoning" of a few simple-minded knee-jerk conspiracists Ace Acme Dec 2013 #5
Hey… you said, "conspiracists" three times! MrMickeysMom Dec 2013 #6

William Seger

(10,778 posts)
1. One reason for 40 years
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 01:42 PM
Dec 2013

That's about how long ago that I read (sorry I don't remember who) someone who noted that all of the evidence JFK conspiracists presented that seemed to be true wasn't conclusive of a conspiracy, and all the evidence they presented that would be conclusive of a conspiracy didn't seem to be true. That observation has held up rather well.

 

Ace Acme

(1,464 posts)
3. On Planet Seger it seems that the accused gets a presumption of guilt
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 03:47 AM
Dec 2013

... that only conclusive proof to the contrary can negate (yeah, he says "conclusive evidence" to muddy the waters).

Life for the authorities on Planet Seger must be very easy.

William Seger

(10,778 posts)
4. I can't convict Oswald and you can't exonerate him
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 09:58 AM
Dec 2013

What I'm talking about is the faulty epistemology preferred by conspiracists in deciding the most plausible explanation of what happened. The "official story" is simply the one best supported by the actual evidence, and it will remain so until conspiracists do considerably better in that department than they have for the last 50 years. Instead, JFK conspiracists seem to be content with taking polls of how many people have been suckered into believing bullshit like Lane's books and Stone's JFK movie.

 

Ace Acme

(1,464 posts)
5. Right, so you find flaws in the "reasoning" of a few simple-minded knee-jerk conspiracists
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 12:36 PM
Dec 2013

And you use their flaws as a blunt instrument to batter the heads of those who want complete and honest investigations, while framing the issue with a false symmetry as "exoneration" v. "conviction" instead of as getting investigations worthy of a liberal democracy.



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