Kevin Ryan : On Why NIST's 9/11 WTC Reports are False and Unscientific

[nationalize the fed]

Kevin Ryan, former site Manager for the environmental
testing division of Underwriters Laboratories (UL)

Published on Saturday, 16 August 2014

In 2002, the US National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) was tasked by the US Government with "determin(ing) why and how WTC 1 and WTC 2 collapsed following the initial impacts of the aircraft and why and how WTC 7 collapsed." After years of work, the final reports were released (in 2005 and 2008 respectively) with the conclusion that all three had collapsed primarily due to fire. But just how "meticulous, exhaustive, and very realistic" was this research? Had it really answered all the questions and provided a trustworthy explanation that supported the official narrative of 9/11?

This week we welcome to the programme once again Kevin Ryan, co-editor of the Journal of 9/11 Studies and author of the book Another Nineteen, who joins us to share with us his assessment of the NIST reports, and why he believes them to be "false and unscientific."
http://themindrenewed.com/interviews/2014/526-int-059

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The Mind Renewed Interview Notes
Kevin Ryan

Kevin Ryan's work as Site Manager for the environmental testing division of Underwriters Laboratories (UL) led him to begin investigating the tragedy of September 11th, 2001. UL fired him in 2004 for publicly asking questions about UL’s testing of the structural materials used to construct the World Trade Center (WTC) buildings as well as UL’s involvement in the WTC investigation being conducted by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST).

Since 2006, he has been co-editor of the Journal of 9/11 Studies and a founding member of both Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice and the 9/11 Working Group of Bloomington. He has served as a board director at Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and co-authored several books and numerous peer-reviewed scientific articles on the subject. Kevin Ryan gives public presentations and interviews and continues his research into the crimes of 9/11, in order to help people come to a better understanding.
Kevin Ryan's Blog (http://digwithin.net/)

Items mentioned in (or otherwise relevant to) the interview
High Rise Safety Initiative (http://highrisesafetynyc.org/)
Kevin Ryan, "Another Nineteen : Investigating Legitimate 9/11 Suspects", The Mind Renewed interview (February 2014)



http://www.amazon.com/Another-Nineteen-Investigating-Legitimate-Suspects/dp/1489507833/ Amazon Rating 4.4/5 stars 82 reviews

"Final Reports from the NIST Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster," 2005 & 2008, N.I.S.T. (U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology)
Kevin Ryan, "Why the N.I.S.T. World Trade Center Reports Are False," a testimony given at The International Hearings on the Events of September 11, 2001.
Kevin Ryan, "Why the NIST WTC Report on the Towers is False," Dig Within (05 September 2013)
Kevin Ryan, "Why the NIST WTC 7 Report in False," Dig Within (09 July 2011)
Zdenfk P. Bažant and Mathieu Verdure, "Mechanics of Progressive Collapse: Learning from World Trade Center and Building Demolitions", (2006/7) (External PDF)
Dr. Frank Legge, "What Really Hit the Pentagon on 9/11?", The Mind Renewed interview (May 7 2014)
Video of WTC 7 falling on 9/11
Audio of David Coburn's words can be heard in TMR 008: "9/11 and People of Faith" (January 2013)
Dr. Shyam Sunder words: "But truthfully, I don’t really know. We’ve had trouble getting a handle on building No. 7", in "The Ground Zero Grassy Knoll", New York Magazine
Link to James Millette's work on nanothermite (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=231314)
Dr. Niels Harrit, "Nanothermite & 9/11", The Mind Renewed interview (November 2012)
Niels H. Harrit et al, "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe",The Open Chemical Physics Journal, 2009, 2, 7-31
Kevin Ryan, "Are Tall Buildings Safer as a Reuslt of the NIST WTC Reports?", Dig Within (07 September 2012)
Kevin Ryan, "The Top Ten Connections Between NIST and Nano-Thermites", (external PDF) Journal of 9/11 Studies (02 July 2008)

NIST's 2009 refusal to supply information in response to Ron Brookman's FOIA request, "justified" on the grounds that to do so might "jeopardize public safety" (External PDF: http://cryptome.org/nist070709.pdf )

[superbeachnut]

1. Wow, you picked another liar for 911 truth

[hack89]

2. He was fired for talking without permission about things he had no expertise in

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while using UL's reputation to give himself some credibility.

The fact of the matter is, he has a BS in chemistry and ran a small water quality testing lab. He has no expertise in testing steel structures.

[wildbilln864]

3. Nonsense! He argued UL tested the steel...

when thay had claimed they did not. He caught them lying and questioned it! So the fact of the matter is him not being an expert in steel structures is irrelevant to the issue. But you knew that.

[hack89]

4. Except UL tests assemblies, not the steel itself.

Come on, this is old news. You should know better.

[wildbilln864]

5. yada yada yada! you DO know better!

http://themindrenewed.com/interviews/2014/526-int-059

[hack89]

6. In America, steel is not certified at all. Ryan was making shit up.

16. Was the steel in the WTC towers certified by Underwriters Laboratories (UL) to 1,100 degrees Celsius (2,000 degrees Fahrenheit) as some have claimed?

UL did not certify any steel as suggested. In fact, in U.S. practice, steel is not certified at all; rather structural assemblies are tested for their fire resistance rating in accordance with a standard procedure such as ASTM E 119 (see NCSTAR 1-6B). That the steel was “certified ... to 2000 degrees Fahrenheit for six hours” is simply not true.

[wildbilln864]

7. you did not listen to the interview!

You are debunked within the first ten minutes but we know you won't admit that. but do listen to the entire interview in his own words..

[hack89]

8. I heard what he said about the UL CEO

The problem is that no Truther can show that the UL has ever tested steel before or after. Ryan make a claim with no proof.

[wildbilln864]

9. he said assemblies! did you not hear?

at 5 minutes.

[hack89]

10. So I just read one of his articles and I see his confusion.

He makes no provision for the structural damage done to the WTC by the impact of the 767. He ignores potential damage to the fireproofing and he ignores the added weight that each assembly had to support. He also seems to think steel has to be heated to enormous temperatures before it loses significant strength. All in all what one would expect from a water testing chemist.

[wildbilln864]

11. all nonsense!

" He ignores potential damage to the fireproofing..."
No. You assume fireproofing may have been dislodged even though there's absolutely no evidence of that.

" ...he ignores the added weight that each assembly had to support."
Nope! In the towers 1 and 2, a large part of the mass is visible going over the sides and into the air as dust and the redundancy of the structure was adequate to support what was already above before the impacts. There was less weight! Not to mention building 7 which went down and had no additional weight added yet it fell at near freefall. Your sophistry will not flush!

[hack89]

12. Ok. Nt

[wildbilln864]

13. you're welcome! n/t

[superbeachnut]

14. lol, no evidence insulation was dislodged?

Wrong, there was not less weight, there was more weight. The dust stuff is funny.

You don't do structural engineering, or physics. Better luck with Bigfoot. Next time be an engineer instead of a 911 truth follower.


The denying insulation was dislodged is a good one.


oops, there is some insulation there... you were wrong, how do you get everything wrong about 911.

A kinetic energy impact equal to 2093 pounds of TNT, and you lie and say no insulation was dislodge. What a failed claim. You ignore reality and spread lies about 911.
The fire insulation under the floors could be removed by touch. A finger can take of the underfloor insulation - oops, looks like you were big time wrong.
The core steel columns were covered in 3 inches of wallboard, it can be removed by hitting it with your fist, or you can dig though it with keys - people escaped from an elevator by digging through the wallboard. oops, you lied about the insulation.

[AZCat]

15. Kevin Ryan is an idiot.

It has been demonstrated amply since his rapid departure from UL, but since the so-called "truth movement" has a dearth of qualified professionals who are willing to say stupid things they have to scrape the bottom of the barrel and pump up Ryan's credibility however they can. It isn't working with the vast majority of professionals.

[wildbilln864]

16. yes UL must hire idiots all the time...

too funny AC!

[AZCat]

17. Every company does, occasionally.

Sometimes they get weeded out when their idiocy is too much for the organization to handle, like in Ryan's case. Sometimes they survive their whole careers without getting fired.