Why did they kill John and Robert Kennedy?

[gyroscope]

the establishment and the powers that be (including the rightwing of both parties, the MIC, Wall Street banks, etc) could not tolerate another populist FDR-like president who would stand up to them.

as General Smedley Butler testified they already attempted a coup of FDR at least once while he was in office but failed. Kennedy also rejected the DoD's proposal to blow up US airliners and make it look like Castro was responsible (see Operation Northwoods). he was not anyone's puppet, so one way or another they had to get rid of him. had they lived John Kennedy and his brother would have represented another 16 years (2 terms each) of FDR-style populist leadership in the US. and there was no way in hell they would allow that to happen and this time they would not fail in their coup.

[zappaman]

1. They were killed by different guys.

JFK by Lee Harvey Oswald.
RFK by Sirhan Sirhan.
Now you know.
You're welcome.

[gyroscope]

2. You keep telling yourself that.

Just like there were WMDs in Iraq, and we fought the Vietnam War to prevent the Viet Cong from invading California.
Bwahaha!

Because our government and politicians are always honest and would never lie to us!
My mommy and daddy told me so!

[zappaman]

3. There were no wmds in Iraq.

Which has nothing to do with the Kennedys getting shot.
You seem confused. Can I help?

[gyroscope]

4. So you admit the government lies?

lies that often result in needless war and deaths of their own citizens?

[cpwm17]

8. There's that strawman again

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Who claims that the government doesn't lie?

You know who also lies?: the con artist$ that write all of the books with their pet theories on how the JFK assassination went down. There's money to be made fooling the gullible.

[gyroscope]

9. There's lots of money to be made fighting endless wars

unless you believe we invaded Iraq because of WMDs. Or fought Vietnam to
prevent Viet Cong rice farmers from invading California in their wooden canoes?

Now that's gullible.

[cpwm17]

10. I'm strongly anti-war

I don't believe shit that our politicians say concerning our aggressive wars.

That has little to do with this thread. Not everything government officials say is wrong and most officials that investigated the assassinations weren't corrupt elected officials. They were mostly regular Americans that were interested in doing their jobs. Not everybody is corrupt.

Instead of dogmatically claiming that anyone that has anything to do with the US Government is automatically wrong, one should use their own common sense and science to determine what is or isn't true. That's why I always knew the excuses for the Iraq War were B/S and that's why it is clear to me that Oswald assassinated JFK and there is no reason to believe he had help.

[gyroscope]

11. "There's no reason to believe Oswald had any help"

well there ya go, that settles that.
basically, that's what the official story boils down to. Trust us, it was Oswald. lmao.
There were WMDs in Iraq, trust us. We're the government.

Gosh how convenient that Oswald was himself shot to death shortly after the Kennedy shooting, while in police custody no less. But that was just an amazing coincidence. No court trial, no opportunity to defend himself. Yeah, just blame it on the dead guy. How convenient. Just like Bin Laden. Kill the patsy! because dead men tell no tales.

[cpwm17]

12. There ya go: you are dogmatically not believing that Oswald acted alone

since that is the "official story" and it contradicts your conspiracy fantasies.

No, that is what the evidence strongly indicates. I don't need any "official" to tell me how to think.

[gyroscope]

16. They tried to kill FDR

they lied us into the Vietnam war and admitted it,
killed MLK, JFK and RFK
lied us into the Iraq and Afghanistan wars,
Iran-Contra scandal (CIA drug-running)
CIA murder of the President of Chile and several other Latin American leaders
Operation Northwoods, 9/11, etc etc.

the US government has a long history of carrying out false flag operations,
assassinations and attempted assassinations at home and abroad.
if you believe they are not capable of such acts, you'd be very naive, and wrong.

[gyroscope]

15. Several books have been written supporting the official story

Were they fooling the gullible and making money off of it?

You are right about that.

[demwing]

5. This is the Creative Speculation Group, right?

Why give folks a hard time for their creative speculations?

[gyroscope]

6. The government lies to us on a consistent basis

sorry to break it to you but that's not speculation, just a simple fact.

ask Smedley Butler, Daniel Ellsberg, Edward Snowden et al. they'll be happy to tell you about it.

[demwing]

7. Dude, I was supporting you

sorry, my bad

[YoungDemCA]

14. Got in one. n/t

[Reter]

17. And Jack Ruby acted along right?

Yeah ok.

[GreatGazoo]

13. For JFK, it was most likely bc he fired Allen Dulles and backed off on the Bay of Pigs

Dulles, Bissell and Cabell all were fired in Nov of 1961. LBJ appointed Dulles to the Warren Commission.

When Dulles oversaw the U2 program, Oswald, who had mastered Russian, received top security clearance and worked in Atsugi Japan on the U2 flights over Asia and the USSR. When the U2 program hits some obstacles, Oswald receives his honorable discharge from the USMC and temporarily "defects" to the USSR before being welcomed home 2 years later -- May of 1962.