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Holly_Hobby

(3,033 posts)
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 09:05 AM Feb 2014

Follow up to my thread about my hearing

Thanks to everyone who replied. I'm really anxious over it.

My hearing is next week and my attorney called me yesterday to prepare.

Did your attorneys give you any advice when you first hired them? In nearly 2 years, I haven't heard a word from him except for signing forms. I wasn't advised to do or not do anything.

He wasn't even familiar with my case. I don't feel properly represented.

I was told by a friend yesterday that I should have been going to my neurologist all this time, and talking to my PCP about it too. My attorney didn't tell me that. I'm so upset. I stopped going to my neurologist because I don't have good odds for surgery.

Thanks for letting me vent. Does anyone have any advice?

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Follow up to my thread about my hearing (Original Post) Holly_Hobby Feb 2014 OP
I don't know anything about this subject MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #1
Thanks, appreciated :) n/t Holly_Hobby Feb 2014 #4
Just remember that the longer your case takes to win , the more money your attorney makes. djean111 Feb 2014 #2
The agreement I signed for the lawyer Holly_Hobby Feb 2014 #5
Hi. A major key to SSDI filings is documentation, documentation, documentation. pinto Feb 2014 #3
This is a problem... Holly_Hobby Feb 2014 #6
As an attorney who does SS cases, I have to reply happyslug Feb 2014 #7
Thank you so much! Holly_Hobby Feb 2014 #8
How did your hearing go? ..nt TeeYiYi Feb 2014 #9
Thanks for asking.... Holly_Hobby Feb 2014 #11
Good to hear from you... TeeYiYi Feb 2014 #13
Thanks and you 2! The waiting is awful...n/t Holly_Hobby Feb 2014 #14
hoping for good news for you n/t irisblue Feb 2014 #10
Thanks, I've got a good chance n/t Holly_Hobby Feb 2014 #12
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
2. Just remember that the longer your case takes to win , the more money your attorney makes.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 09:16 AM
Feb 2014

When you get your disability approved, you are given whatever amount you would have been getting if you had been approved the day you filed. Lump sum, retroactive. The attorneys get a percentage of THAT money. They have absolutely no incentive to get approval quickly.
Bring up the fact that your attorneys did not advise you on much, at the hearing.

Holly_Hobby

(3,033 posts)
5. The agreement I signed for the lawyer
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 10:53 AM
Feb 2014

says SS limits the attorney cut to 1/3 or $6,000. SS says I would get a settlement of $18,000. $6,000 of that amount is 1/3, so if we have to go to another appeal and hearing, they will make only $6,000 period. I don't see where there would be incentive for the attorney to drag his feet, but maybe I'm wrong.

I will bring up that the first time I spoke to him after my initial intake appointment with a paralegal was 7 days before the hearing. Thanks for your reply.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
3. Hi. A major key to SSDI filings is documentation, documentation, documentation.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 09:24 AM
Feb 2014

Make sure the disability office has up-to-date releases for notes, labs, etc. from any and all medical, mental health, allied professionals. (Some releases are time limited.) Notify your providers of your upcoming hearing and verify they have submitted documentation specific to your condition(s) including effects on activities of daily living (ADLs). Your personal statements should include personal experiences of limitations due to your medical situation.

Best of luck to you.

Holly_Hobby

(3,033 posts)
6. This is a problem...
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 10:58 AM
Feb 2014

No one ever told me to talk to my doctors about a disability. I have checked with the attorney's secretary, and they do have all of my medical records. I have signed at least 5 new releases in this last year, and they told me not to date them.

I have never talked to my doctor about daily living. I didn't know I should have, no one told me. I asked her last year for a renewal of my handicap parking placard, but that's it. I told her at that time that I can't walk that far and she had no problem renewing it. In Ohio, you need a renewal every 5 years.

Thanks for responding.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
7. As an attorney who does SS cases, I have to reply
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:02 AM
Feb 2014

I rarely see my clients before the hearing. I review the medical record and prepare my case around it. I have my client do a paper about their medical problems when I first see them, and I review that paper and look to see what corresponds with the medical record. Just before the hearing I go over the record with my client and tell them what the medical evidence shows.

I tell my clients to be truthful and the practice in the my SSA hearings is for the Administrative Law Judge to ask questions. I follow up on questions I want in the record. These questions are from the paper the client had written, notes I had from when they first came into my office, or based on the Medical record.

At that point, the Judge turns to the Vocational Expert (VE) and asks him or her questions relating to what jobs can a person do with the same age, education and job history of the Claimant. The Judge then asks additional restrictions based on what Client said or what is in the medical record. These additional restrictions are added one at a time till the VE says a person with those restrictions can not work in any jobs that exists in substantial numbers in the national economy.

At that point I will ask questions adding more restrictions, except if the Judge's questions covered what I wants to ask.

The VE does NOT decide if you can not work, he is to give Expert testimony on what jobs people can do with certain medical restrictions. It is up to the Judge to determine which of the questions asked fit your situation. If the Judge decides it is the question that the VE said such a person can do certain jobs you are NOT disabled. If on the other hand, if the medical record and your testimony matches the hypothetical questions that the VE answered with the statement that no jobs exists, then you are disabled.

When in comes to the Testimony of the VE, he is answering the question being asked, NOT what you can do. Remember that when he answers. I advised my clients that the questions to the VE starts with "What jobs can a person of the age, education and work history of the claimant perform?" Notice NO restrictions, the VE would have to answer with a whole list of jobs such a person could do.

Now, in actual hearing the Judge most often starts not with the above question, but one much like it but with restrictions that reflects your medical record and your testimony. The VE will then testify what jobs such a person can do. The Judge will then add additional restrictions if he decides to, or your lawyer will add additional questions. Then the hearing will be finished and you will go home and in two to three months get a decision.

Now, if a client wants to see me before the hearing, I will schedule such a visit and go over what is in the medical record, which nowadays is mailed to me in the form of a CD disk (10-15 years ago I had to go to the local hearing office and copy the paper record the day or two before the hearing, every year or so I still get to do that, for it is a paper record for some reason. Paper records are getting rarer but I do run across them every so often.

In the interview before the hearing that a client asks for and I give them, after going over the record and talking about their case I tell them what to expect at the hearing an send them home. If they do NOT ask for an interview, I see them before the hearing and do the same thing. I have not noticed a difference in how my clients act in the hearing or how the Judge handles the hearing or even the questions I asks of the Client and the VE in the hearing. In many ways the interview just before the hearing works best for me, for the what the client tells me is fresh in my mind when we go into the hearing. The only time an interview has been good is if the Client has seen new medical doctors for new treatments (not just more visits) so I can get a head start at getting those records (SSA judges permit attorneys to submit additional medical records after the hearing if such evidence is NOT in the file on the day of the hearing).

Now, I know other attorneys who do have all of their clients see them a day to a week before the hearing. I am just pointing out I do not and it has been working for me. I would say I win 50-60% of my cases and since I work for legal aid and take in anyone coming into my door who is applying for disability, that is a good percentage. I get some loses, that once I get to look at the medical record, I know my client will lose. I tell my client this and tell them what they options are, one of which is to go through with the hearing, which is an option most of my clients wants to do, so we go through with the hearing. In a lot of my cases there is medical record to support the restrictions of the claimant, but the Judges just does not believe the claimant's testimony is credible and thus the claimant loses. I am NOT an acting coach or a drama coach thus what my client says are their restrictions and how the Judge views that testimony I have to leave to my client. I tell them to be truthful and I go from there.

Just a comment that I do not think it is bad that you have not seen your attorney, I hate to say this, that is my practice and it has been working for me. On the other hand, your attorney is your attorney and if you want to see him or her before the hearing that is your right. If a client asks to see me before the hearing, I will see them. If it would make you more comfortable to talk to your attorney before the hearing, your should do so and he or she should set an appointment up. You are paying his or her salary, any award to such attorney will come out of your Social Security arrears, thus you are paying them not Social Security. The Attorney is YOUR ATTORNEY, you are paying him or her, he or she should be ready willing and able to see you if you want to see them before the hearing. That is what I do for those clients who ask and I work for legal aid and thus they are NOT paying me. It is what any attorney should be willing to do for any client, so if you think you need to talk to your attorney, call him or her up and asks for a meeting.

I am just saying, such a meeting may NOT be needed by the attorney for the attorney to prepare the case for the hearing, but that fact sill does NOT mean you can not ask and the attorney can not give an appointment. If you want an appointment, asks for one.

Holly_Hobby

(3,033 posts)
8. Thank you so much!
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 09:03 AM
Feb 2014

All I got in a year and a half is some papers to sign and a 10 min. phone call last week. My medical wasn't discussed at all. All he said was to tell the truth. It's too late for an appointment, my hearing is Monday. No one bothered to tell me I needed to talk to my doctors about disability. I got no advice whatsoever. I called whenever I had questions, the secretary kept telling me that the attorney would call me before the hearing and answer my questions.

I have even more disabling conditions than I had when I filed, but they weren't diagnosed until after I filed my original application and my attorney says they aren't relevant now. It seems hopeless to me. Can I contact you via PM? Thanks again.

Holly_Hobby

(3,033 posts)
11. Thanks for asking....
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 09:51 AM
Feb 2014

I had a 30 min. mtg. with my attorney right before the hearing. It was obviously the first time he looked at my medical records, he wasn't familiar with any of the facts of my case, which made me angry.

So I testified that all of the medical proof was on file, I went into all of the car accidents in my history and the amounts of my settlements from those. I focused on my health before filing and nothing after filing, even though many more chronic diseases have been diagnosed since that time.

There was a vocational expert testifying about what kind of jobs I could do, but my lawyer shot him down on cross examination, since I need to lay down 5 or 6 times/day with a pillow under my knees to relieve the pain. My spine has collapsed in both mid and lower back, which are genetic, both mother and grandfather had the same problem. My collapse was exacerbated by 4 rear end car accidents, the last one was bad enough to kill my 80 lb. dog in the back seat even though he was in a seat belt and I was able to collect policy limits on that case. That accident is why I quit my job, which required me to lift 30 lbs. I can't walk more than 100 ft. at a time.

I also have disk issues in my neck from the other 3 accidents, affecting my arms and hands. Pain meds are out of the question for me because of other diagnosis', such as OTC meds which would affect my diabetic kidneys and narcotics, which cause severe constipation affecting my diverticulosis, giving me more diverticulitis attacks. Pain relief is only achieved by laying down with pillows 5 or 6 times a day.

I had a myelogram 8 months after the accident which showed the collapsed vertebrae impinging the root nerve which is what the neurosurgeon said causes my pain. There were notes by him that surgery would destabilize the areas above and below and make me even worse. I had 7 months of therapy that did no good, and there was evidence of that also.

After the hearing, the lawyer said he's 99% sure they would find I could do sedentary work IF I could find an employer who would allow me to lay down on the job to relieve pain, and the chances of that are zero, so he's confident I would win.

So we'll see.

There were people there waiting for hearings, some of them in wheelchairs and others who obviously have mobility issues as well, and it really upsets me that the examiners for SS can't put 2 and 2 together and find these people unable to work because of chronic pain. It's taken 2-1/2 years to get this far, and I can't believe you are expected to go to doctors all the time and have expensive tests when you can't work. The only reason I had all the medical treatment is because my car insurance was paying for every bit of my medical from that accident, which totaled over $30K. The system sucks.

Now I'm told I have to wait another 90 days for a decision because of back log and then another 90 days to get the money. That's just unacceptable.

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
13. Good to hear from you...
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 01:48 PM
Feb 2014

Sounds like you did everything right. Now you just need to forget about it for a few months.

Happy Valentine's Day, Holly_Hobby!

TYY
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