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appalachiablue

(41,122 posts)
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 08:04 PM Apr 2021

'Breakthrough' Covid Cases Among People Already Vaccinated: CDC Studies

'CDC Studies 'Breakthrough' COVID Cases Among People Already Vaccinated.' NPR, April 13, 2021. - Ed.

Ginger Eatman thought she was safe after getting her second COVID-19 vaccination in February. But she kept wearing her mask, using hand sanitizer and wiping down the carts at the grocery store anyway. A few weeks later, she noticed a scratchy throat. "By Wednesday morning, St. Patrick's Day, I was sick. I had congestion — a lot of congestion — and some coughing," says Eatman, 73, of Dallas, Ga. Her doctor thought her symptoms might be allergies. But Eatman started feeling sicker. And then she suddenly lost her sense of smell. She even tried her strong perfume. Nothing.

So Eatman got tested for the coronavirus. It came back positive. "I was shocked. I almost cried," she says. "It was like: No, that can't be." Eatman isn't alone in this experience. It's a long-recognized phenomenon called "vaccine breakthrough." "Essentially, these are cases that you see amongst vaccinated individuals during a period in which you expect the vaccines to work," says Dr. Saad Omer, a vaccine researcher at Yale University. This incomplete protection that some people experience occurs to some extent with a vaccine against any disease. The 3 vaccines authorized for use against COVID-19 in the U.S. appear to be at least 94% effective at preventing severe disease and death (starting about 2 weeks after a person is fully vaccinated), according to data reported so far, and about 80% effective at preventing infection.

But that's not 100%, Omer notes, so a relatively small number of infections despite immunization with these very effective vaccines is to be expected. "So the bottom line is: It's expected. No need to freak out," Omer says. So far, more than 74 million people have gotten fully vaccinated in the U.S. It's unclear how many have later gotten infected with the coronavirus anyway. But Michigan, Washington and other states have reported hundreds of cases. Most people have gotten only mildly ill, but some have gotten very sick. Some have even died. Still, at a recent White House briefing, Dr. Anthony Fauci of the National Institutes of Health noted that such cases of lapses in full protection appear to be very rare. And the deaths seem to be happening primarily among frail elderly people who have other health problems.

"There's nothing there yet that's a red flag. We obviously are going to keep an eye on that very, very carefully. But I don't see anything that changes our concept of the vaccine and its efficacy," Fauci says. And it's definitely no reason for anyone not to get vaccinated. The opposite is true. "It would also appear the rare infections that occur are less severe, so it would also protect us against severe disease, which is great," says Dr. Francesca Torriani, an infectious disease researcher at the University of California San Diego, who has studied breakthrough infections among health care workers. But such cases are a reminder of why it's important for people to continue being vigilant after getting vaccinated, infectious disease experts say...

Read More, https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/04/13/986411423/a-mystery-under-study-how-why-and-when-covid-vaccines-arent-fully-protective

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'Breakthrough' Covid Cases Among People Already Vaccinated: CDC Studies (Original Post) appalachiablue Apr 2021 OP
Well that's a little scary birdographer Apr 2021 #1
Yes, until/if we reach herd appalachiablue Apr 2021 #2
I recently discovered that I'm not as risk-free as I thought 70sEraVet Apr 2021 #3
Glad you at least found that out appalachiablue Apr 2021 #4
Hmmm. I wonder if someone like you should get a third shot PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2021 #6
Do you take it every other day? apcalc Apr 2021 #7
94% is not... JoeOtterbein Apr 2021 #5
And no vaccine is 100% effective against viruses that have variants TexasBushwhacker Apr 2021 #13
yup Skittles Apr 2021 #8
When is the news about COVID going to be unrersevedly good??? BobTheSubgenius Apr 2021 #9
Conversations on COVID: Is all pandemic news really bad news? BradAllison Apr 2021 #10
The drumpf mob and its sycophants did everything they could to make it worse Justice matters. Apr 2021 #11
I will never understand why he did that. nt live love laugh Apr 2021 #14
The Covid death rate in Oregon, among the vaccinated... Buckeye_Democrat Apr 2021 #12

appalachiablue

(41,122 posts)
2. Yes, until/if we reach herd
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 09:37 PM
Apr 2021

immunity and the infection rate really drops. So it's vigilance for masking, social distancing and the rest for now. Stay well.

70sEraVet

(3,492 posts)
3. I recently discovered that I'm not as risk-free as I thought
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 09:39 PM
Apr 2021

I had an appointment with my endocrinologist a few days after my second Moderna shot, and was told that because I take Prednisone (which is a steroid) for an adrenal deficiency, that my immune system is affected. So my response to the vaccination may be compromised.

apcalc

(4,463 posts)
7. Do you take it every other day?
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 09:56 PM
Apr 2021

You can get the same effect by doubling the dose and taking it every other day

TexasBushwhacker

(20,172 posts)
13. And no vaccine is 100% effective against viruses that have variants
Wed Apr 14, 2021, 11:07 AM
Apr 2021

That's why the annual flu shot is generally only 50 to 80% effective. All they can do is see what variants of flu are making their way around the world that year and make a vaccine for that/those strains. It DOESN'T mean that getting the flu vaccine is pointless.

Skittles

(153,147 posts)
8. yup
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 10:19 PM
Apr 2021

it's why I shake my head at all these people "crying tears of joy" getting the vaccine, as if it is some kind of cure-all

we still need to act like nothing has changed for the time being

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
9. When is the news about COVID going to be unrersevedly good???
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 10:31 PM
Apr 2021

It seems like we've been hanging on by our fingernails for the last year...and STILL there's bad news?

BradAllison

(1,879 posts)
10. Conversations on COVID: Is all pandemic news really bad news?
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 10:43 PM
Apr 2021
https://www.brown.edu/news/2021-01-22/cook


Molly Cook, a junior at Brown, participated in a research project that found that major American news outlets took a more negative tone in their COVID-19 coverage than international news outlets or scientific journals.

PROVIDENCE, R.I. [Brown University] — Molly Cook didn’t know exactly what would come of her Summer 2020 research assistantship — but she certainly never expected it would make national headlines.

Cook, a junior concentrating in economics and applied mathematics at Brown University, spent the warmer months of 2020 working virtually with Dartmouth College economist Bruce Sacerdote and Dartmouth undergraduate Ranjan Sehgal on a timely research question: Why does all American COVID-19 news seem like bad news? And is media coverage equally negative elsewhere in the world?

With supervision from Sacerdote, Cook and Sehgal developed virus-related news search terms, downloaded thousands of news articles from LexisNexis and created a model to assess each article’s tone using sentiment-analysis dictionaries. Ultimately, the research team found that 91% of pandemic-related news stories published in major American media outlets between March and late July were negative in tone, compared to 54% of stories in major international news outlets and 65% of articles in scientific journals. Notably, they saw that those American outlets’ negative tone didn’t let up when cases declined in the summer, nor when pharmaceutical companies made major progress in developing a vaccine.

In November 2020 — the same week Pfizer released news that its COVID-19 vaccine had proven 95% effective in trials — their findings were published in a National Bureau of Economic Research working paper. In the weeks that followed, Cook saw her name appear in the Washington Post, Fortune and MarketWatch, among other high-visibility news sources.

Justice matters.

(6,925 posts)
11. The drumpf mob and its sycophants did everything they could to make it worse
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 10:46 PM
Apr 2021
right from the start while the oRange cRook KNEW how deadly it was.

Consequences: Over 568,786 deaths and now out-of-control variants because he ignored it and lied about it being under control.


Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
12. The Covid death rate in Oregon, among the vaccinated...
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 11:00 PM
Apr 2021

... is only about 0.0004%.

3 Breakthrough Covid-19 Coronavirus Deaths Among 700,000+ Fully Vaccinated In Oregon
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/04/11/3-breakthrough-covid-19-coronavirus-deaths-among-700000-fully-vaccinated-in-oregon/?sh=3d7ac981333f
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Consider how many people in Oregon have already gotten fully vaccinated: over 700,000. A quick calculation on your abacus will reveal that less than 0.03% of all fully vaccinated people there have had breakthrough Covid-19 coronavirus infections so far. Of the breakthrough infections, less than 2% ended up in death. Oh, and many of these breakthrough infections were actually asymptomatic, meaning that they didn’t result in symptoms.

Then imagine how many more people could have gotten infected and ended up being hospitalized had these 700,000 plus people not been vaccinated. All of this strongly suggests that the Covid-19 vaccines are working, that they are indeed offering protection.
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Sorry for the Forbes link, everyone, but it offers very positive news about the vaccines.

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