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thetonka

(265 posts)
Wed May 29, 2013, 05:23 PM May 2013

South Portland doctor stops accepting insurance, posts prices online

Interested in getting this groups response to this story.

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SOUTH PORTLAND, Maine — Dr. Michael Ciampi took a step this spring that many of his fellow physicians would describe as radical.

The family physician stopped accepting all forms of health insurance. In early 2013, Ciampi sent a letter to his patients informing them that he would no longer accept any kind of health coverage, both private and government-sponsored. Given that he was now asking patients to pay for his services out of pocket, he posted his prices on the practice’s website.

The change took effect April 1.

“It’s been almost unanimous that patients have expressed understanding at why I’m doing what I’m doing, although I’ve had many people leave the practice because they want to be covered by insurance, which is understandable,” Ciampi said.

Before the switch, Ciampi had about 2,000 patients. He lost several hundred, he said. Some patients with health coverage, faced with having to seek reimbursement themselves rather than through his office, bristled at the paperwork burden.

But the decision to do away with insurance allows Ciampi to practice medicine the way he sees fit, he said. Insurance companies no longer dictate how much he charges. He can offer discounts to patients struggling with their medical bills. He can make house calls.

“I’m freed up to do what I think is right for the patients,” Ciampi said. “If I’m providing them a service that they value, they can pay me, and we cut the insurance out as the middleman and cut out a lot of the expense.”

Ciampi expects more doctors will follow suit. Some may choose to run “concierge practices” in which patients pay to keep a doctor on retainer, he said.

Gordon Smith, a spokesman for the Maine Medical Association, wasn’t so sure, saying most patients either want to use the insurance they pay for or need to rely on Medicare and Medicaid.

Even with the loss of some patients, Ciampi expects his practice to perform just as well financially, if not better, than before he ditched insurance. The new approach will likely attract new patients who are self-employed, lack insurance or have high-deductible plans, he said, because Ciampi has slashed his prices.

“I’ve been able to cut my prices in half because my overhead will be so much less,” he said.

Before, Ciampi charged $160 for an office visit with an existing patient facing one or more complicated health problems. Now, he charges $75.

Patients with an earache or strep throat can spend $300 at their local hospital emergency room, or promptly get an appointment at his office and pay $50, he said.

Ciampi collects payment at the end of the visit, freeing him of the time and costs associated with sending bills, he said.

That time is crucial to Ciampi. When his patients come to his office, they see him, not a physician’s assistant or a nurse practitioner, he said.

“If more doctors were able to do this, that would be real health care reform,” he said. “That’s when we’d see the cost of medicine truly go down.”
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South Portland doctor stops accepting insurance, posts prices online (Original Post) thetonka May 2013 OP
I did the same in my practice several years ago. Mika May 2013 #1
Good for him! I wish more doctors would do this. CaliforniaPeggy May 2013 #2
Our doctor did this back in the '50s and early 60s. It was great and he must have done well as monmouth3 May 2013 #3
This the way it was in the 50's when I was growing up. upaloopa May 2013 #4
Back To The Future colsohlibgal May 2013 #5
An advantage to this method is the patient is more responsible to keep the rhett o rick May 2013 #6
sounds good to me SummerSnow May 2013 #7
Every doc should do this BobbyBoring May 2013 #8
This can work in a family practice when your kid has a cough, Mr.Bill May 2013 #9
Both my general practitioner and my gynecologist do this. kimmylavin May 2013 #10
I know of MDs doing this in Kansas City, MO and Pittsburgh, PA. Divernan May 2013 #11
Nothing new here, colorado_ufo May 2013 #12
Interesting comments thetonka May 2013 #13
I would likely be among those leaving goldent May 2013 #14
 

Mika

(17,751 posts)
1. I did the same in my practice several years ago.
Wed May 29, 2013, 05:26 PM
May 2013

Everyone does better. I treat destitute patients (of my practice) for free or barter.

monmouth3

(3,871 posts)
3. Our doctor did this back in the '50s and early 60s. It was great and he must have done well as
Wed May 29, 2013, 05:48 PM
May 2013

he was the father of 9 or so kids and had a beautiful home...

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
4. This the way it was in the 50's when I was growing up.
Wed May 29, 2013, 05:56 PM
May 2013

We had a family doctor who made house calls and his office was open as long as patients were on the waiting room. People paid h what they could afford which wasn't much. My dad made $60 a week,

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
5. Back To The Future
Wed May 29, 2013, 05:58 PM
May 2013

The scam of blatant for profit health insurance didn't get into high gear till the late 70s/early 80s.

I applaud this doctor.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
6. An advantage to this method is the patient is more responsible to keep the
Wed May 29, 2013, 06:02 PM
May 2013

doctor's charges in line. Today I get bills from doctors and hospitals and they are charging huge prices, but the insurance company pays.

I do have a question. "Before, Ciampi charged $160 for an office visit with an existing patient facing one or more complicated health problems. Now, he charges $75. " Did insurance companies accept the $160? I see my doctor charging $150 for something yet the insurance company only accepts a fraction of that.

It would cut down on the doctor's overhead but increase the paperwork for patients. And for some of our seniors that could be too much.

BobbyBoring

(1,965 posts)
8. Every doc should do this
Wed May 29, 2013, 08:07 PM
May 2013

In reality, all health insurance companies are is middle men. Their profit is incorporated in to the Docs prices. As with any business, eliminate the middle man and prices come down. We don't need no stinkin 5 million a year CEOs!

Mr.Bill

(24,284 posts)
9. This can work in a family practice when your kid has a cough,
Wed May 29, 2013, 08:14 PM
May 2013

but you will still need insurance for the ER or anything requiring a specialist or hospitalization.

Also check with your insurance company to see if they will accept referrals from MDs who are out of their network.

kimmylavin

(2,284 posts)
10. Both my general practitioner and my gynecologist do this.
Wed May 29, 2013, 08:14 PM
May 2013

I pay a straight fee each time I visit.
My doctor was able to help me through some tough times by simply leaving things off the bill, and my gyn gives me free birth control.
I drive an hour to see each of them, and consider it completely worth it.

I like having insurance for the bigger stuff, but I also like what these doctors do for the routine stuff.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
11. I know of MDs doing this in Kansas City, MO and Pittsburgh, PA.
Wed May 29, 2013, 08:27 PM
May 2013

So we have Maine to Pennsylvania to Missouri. Anyone know of docs doing this in California? Then it will be coast to coast.

colorado_ufo

(5,734 posts)
12. Nothing new here,
Wed May 29, 2013, 08:30 PM
May 2013

except the post-on-the-Internet thingy.

I worked for doctors who ran their practice this way decades ago; they eventually abandoned this for processing the insurance forms themselves, as so many patients needed help with the forms, it was faster to do them right the first time. Also, many insurance companies demand covential diagnostic and procedural coding, etc., which is impossible for 99% of patients to know how to do (requires updated manuals and training or experience). And that doesn't begin to touch seniors! I can remember poor seniors coming in with folders and boxes of papers from Medicare, Medicaid, and supplemental insurances, trying so hard to keep everything straight and know where they stood with deductibles, etc.

thetonka

(265 posts)
13. Interesting comments
Thu May 30, 2013, 05:26 PM
May 2013

For most basic medical and for most people there is huge benefit from getting rid of the corporate insurance companies involvement. What we have today, and what the ACA is mandating is NOT insurance. There will be problems in the future, both real and contrived.

I personally think we would have been better off with legislation like the ACA that mandated only Major Medical, and left the basic medical decisions to the people and their doctors. This would solve the vast majority of the cost problems associated with health care in this country. For those that have difficulty affording their basic health care there are better solutions, as is shown by the original article where the doctor can work with patience who need help on costs.

I've said all along Health Insurance is not Health Care, and the for profit Health Insurance is the root of almost all the problems with Health Care in this country. It wish we could have had real Health Care reform and more support for doctors who do what Ciampi did instead of just more of the flawed and damaging culture of corporate insurance that has created all the problems.

goldent

(1,582 posts)
14. I would likely be among those leaving
Thu May 30, 2013, 09:10 PM
May 2013

I contribute towards my employer-provided insurance, so why pay twice?

I also wonder about things like blood tests, etc. I wonder if the doctor has negotiated rates comparable to what the insurance companies get.

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