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dsc

(52,161 posts)
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 07:39 PM Apr 2014

Any ideas for solving this problem

I have my dog with my on a visit to my sister's house. She has a male, unfixed dog which won't stop humping my dog, who though bigger is old and has problems defending himself so she is literally being humped into the floor. Her dog has gotten aggressive with both she and I when he has been corrected for this behavior and goes right back to the behavior no matter how long a time out has been. Any suggestions.

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Any ideas for solving this problem (Original Post) dsc Apr 2014 OP
Crate one or both dogs pscot Apr 2014 #1
in essence that is what we have done dsc Apr 2014 #2
That's probably as good as it gets pscot Apr 2014 #3
Your sister needs to get her male dog fixed ASAP. intheflow Apr 2014 #4
+1. Neuter that dog! roody Apr 2014 #5
Get this dog neutered ASAP TorchTheWitch Apr 2014 #6
As the up-posts indicate - SHE NEEDS TO GET THE DOG NEUTERED. hamsterjill Apr 2014 #7
+ 1 zillion narnian60 Apr 2014 #8
he has an appointment in june dsc Apr 2014 #9
A squirt gun might work... kristopher Apr 2014 #10
Definitely under no circumstances should the dogs be left avebury Apr 2014 #11
the dog being aggressive toward its owner is what most bothers me TorchTheWitch Apr 2014 #12
I totally agree. avebury Apr 2014 #13
Only part of it is sexual and some of it is dominance MiniMe Apr 2014 #14
sorry I didn't update sooner dsc Apr 2014 #15
it won't TorchTheWitch Apr 2014 #16

dsc

(52,161 posts)
2. in essence that is what we have done
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 07:53 PM
Apr 2014

my dog is with me in the bedroom and alone in the bedroom when I leave. For some amount of time we leave hers out while mine gets to run the house a bit.

intheflow

(28,471 posts)
4. Your sister needs to get her male dog fixed ASAP.
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 09:58 PM
Apr 2014

Not that you can probably tell her that, but really... very irresponsible pet ownership there.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
6. Get this dog neutered ASAP
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 02:44 AM
Apr 2014

That's wear some of the aggression is coming from. But the larger problem is that the dog has no problem being aggressive with other people including its owner. That HAS to stop. The dog humping your dog all the time is a lot more about dominance than mating. If your dog is not in heat this male should have really no interest in constantly trying to mate with yours. The dog has both a dominance and aggression issue that MUST be dealt with before he hurts someone. Frankly, I think a specialist is in order in this case. A dog that is aggressive with its owner is a really serious problem.

You can also do some reading here to get some ideas on where to start with your sister establishing who the boss is since this dog clearly believes that HE is. When that happens they'll act like any other pack leader dog and discipline those people or animals that he disagrees with which may be barring teeth, snapping, biting or a full out attack. That's the most important thing. There is also info about dominant or aggressive dogs here, but the relationship between the dog and your sister has to change first... that's the single biggest problem.

http://leerburg.com/structure.htm

I'd start with the article called Establishing Pack Structure. Under the "Training Articles" heading there's also a ton of articles, free videos, ebooks, etc. of specific issues like dominance and aggression. The free videos are great, too.

Keep in mind that this is your sister's dog, and it has to be her that needs to work on her dog's behavioral issues. Honestly, I wouldn't want to be around this dog whether I had my dog with me or not. Since this dog is already behaving aggressively toward its owner, I really think that hiring a professional ASAP is probably what's needed right now. Keep in mind though that the good ones aren't so easy to find, and a charlatan will only invite bigger problems. Your sister should ask her vet for a recommendation for a professional trainer that's has a lot of experience with dogs that have dominance and aggression issues. But not all vets really know who is good and who isn't themselves.

Your sister can also try calling whoever is the head of your state's dog department... whatever their title this is the person that will know more than anyone else who the good trainers are and who are a waste of time and can give you a list of professional trainers and can make a good recommendation of who to use. For some reason this department is under the umbrella of my state's agricultural department, and apparently most state's also have it set up that way. Whoever they are they'll be located in your state's capital (well, your sister's state in case you two live in different ones). I found out who my state's person was by calling my township's administration office, and the receptionist already knew who the person was, where their office was, their phone number and even forwarded my call directly to them. I don't doubt that your sister's township administration offices will know all that stuff about who's who in your sister's state and how to get in touch with them. Unfortunately, in my state dog trainers don't require any education or certification so anyone can call themselves a professional dog trainer... which is undoubtedly why we have so many charlatans. After having a long interesting conversation with the guy in my state several years ago I learned that most states don't have any special requirements for professional dog trainers.

In the meantime, I strongly suggest that this dog is kept away from anyone that doesn't live in the house, and definitely don't let him near your dog. I also strongly recommend that you don't get involved in disciplining this dog yourself since it has gotten aggressive with you already. Whenever you visit he needs to be kept in a crate or on a leash even in the house or in another room or something.

Best of luck to you and your sister. With the right approach this dog's behavior can be changed.



hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
7. As the up-posts indicate - SHE NEEDS TO GET THE DOG NEUTERED.
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 12:17 PM
Apr 2014

It is irresponsible to have a pet that is not fixed. End of story.

There are thousands euthanized each and every day because there are too many dogs and cats and not enough homes. Anyone adding to the numbers is part of the problem.

And yes, I know - she'll probably say that her dog doesn't get out, etc. Well I've heard it all before. From a lot of people whose intact pets eventually got out of the yard and went missing, procreating all the way.

The male dog is doing what male dogs do. Get him fixed and that behavior will stop. Please, I beg you, have a frank talk with your sister about this issue. If money is an issue, please check with vet clinics and rescue groups in the area for low cost spay/neuter services.

Thank you in advance for your positive actions.

dsc

(52,161 posts)
9. he has an appointment in june
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 12:12 PM
Apr 2014

to late for this week but such is life. I hope it solves the issues but I fear it won't solve all the aggression.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
10. A squirt gun might work...
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 04:31 AM
Apr 2014

It depends on the dog, but sometimes a small squirt gun used to startle the dog can work to change a habit. I wouldn't be too optimistic, but you haven't got a lot to lose.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
11. Definitely under no circumstances should the dogs be left
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 09:31 PM
Apr 2014

unsupervised. Your sister's dog's aggressiveness might continue to escalate and he might easily attack your dog with tragic consequences. If it were me I would probably consider cutting the visit short and heading home early. I would not be be able to relax and enjoy the visit if I thought that my furbaby might be at risk. If the other dog goes into full attack mode it could be just as dangerous to you and your sister if you had to try to pull him off of your dog.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
12. the dog being aggressive toward its owner is what most bothers me
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 03:56 AM
Apr 2014

And that's not something that just neutering the dog is going to change. It's mounting the other dog because of dominance rather than mating since it seems apparent that the other dog is not in heat. Intact male dogs don't go about trying to hump every female dog in sight... they only have interest in mating if the female is in heat. Otherwise any mounting is a dominance issue. Though neutering will likely help with some of the aggression, it isn't going to be a cure. Having shown aggression toward its owner in her trying to get her dog off of the OP's dog, it isn't going to be likely any different whenever the dog does something else it really wants to do that the owner tries to deny him. Any dog showing aggression toward its owner is a BIG problem.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
13. I totally agree.
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 06:55 AM
Apr 2014

This is a dog that has the potential to turn on anybody or anything. If the visiting dog decides it has had enough and snaps at the aggressive dog, it might cause the aggressive dog to attack the visiting dog in a way that might not end well. The OP may or may not have any influence on how his sister chooses to deal with her dog, however, he does have a responsibility to his own dog. As an older dog, the OP's dog really should not have to deal with the stress that the other dog is subjecting her to. Even if the sister carries through with getting her dog fixed I would not bring my dog around the other dog. Neutering the dog is not going to stop dominance humping.

I had 3 dogs at one time, an older female large dog, a small female terrier mix, and a male chihuahua/jack russell mix. All 3 dogs were spayed/neutered but the two smaller dogs would occasionally do the dominance hump on the larger dog (never in an aggressive manner). The larger, older dog just ignored the younger dogs with a whatever type of attitude. I would verbally get after the offending dog and he/she would stop. No dog was ever at risk in this instance (except for the offending dog being verbally corrected). The point I want to make is that male/female and being neutered/spayed did not stop this behavior. The OP cannot expect that having his sister's dog neutered will be a guarantee that the current behavior will go away.

MiniMe

(21,716 posts)
14. Only part of it is sexual and some of it is dominance
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 10:37 PM
Apr 2014

I think most of it is dominance. I agree getting the dog fixed will help the situation.

dsc

(52,161 posts)
15. sorry I didn't update sooner
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 04:19 PM
Apr 2014

I wound up leaving, for other reasons, two days after I arrived but her dog was relentless. He is, I hope, getting fixed in June or July but I still think he will be a handful even after being fixed.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
16. it won't
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 11:29 PM
Apr 2014

Your sister has an aggressive dog and without that being addressed eventually it's going to hurt someone including her. I'd be worried for her safety with this dog.

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