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sl8

(14,487 posts)
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 08:52 AM Feb 2023

North Carolina can't ban undercover filming inside animal farms

Last edited Sat Feb 25, 2023, 11:05 AM - Edit history (1)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/02/23/undercover-filming-ban-peta/

North Carolina can’t ban undercover filming inside animal farms

The Fourth Circuit ruled that a North Carolina law aimed at ending undercover investigations violates the First Amendment

By Rachel Weiner
February 23, 2023 at 5:02 p.m. EST

A North Carolina law aimed at stopping investigations by animal rights activists violates constitutional free speech protections, an appellate court ruled Thursday.

The 2015 law bars employees from going into “nonpublic areas of an employer’s premises” for reasons unrelated to work and gathering documents or making recordings that “breach the person’s duty of loyalty to the employer.”

It was one of a wave of laws passed across the country in response to undercover exposés of the mistreatment of animals in large factory farms. Every one challenged in federal court has been found at least in part unconstitutional, said David Muraskin of Public Justice, a legal nonprofit that led a group challenge to the law. This decision is particularly important, he said, because it ties together several elements used in other recent so-called “ag-gag laws” — it did not specifically target agriculture, it created civil liability rather than a new crime, and it focused on recording and data collection.

That the court still deemed the law unconstitutional shows, Muraskin said, “that the ability of people to conduct investigations and expose misconduct is protected by the First Amendment.”

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On edit, link to decision (pdf) :

https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/201776.P.pdf
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The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
2. I am glad the filming happens, however.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 10:26 AM
Feb 2023

I do not understand how this is legal. The farm is private property. I you are on my property you need my permission to film.
So my concern is for my rights.
What am I missing?

paleotn

(18,102 posts)
4. In this case it seems 1st Amendment protection, freedom of speech, outweighs private property rights
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 10:33 AM
Feb 2023

At least in the court's thinking. Then there's whistleblower laws. Most states have them, but they vary widely. The thinking goes that exposing wrong doing, certainly illegal activities, outweighs someone's right to privacy.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
5. Ok but I am not sure how I feel about this.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 10:55 AM
Feb 2023

Not to be argumentative but. Are they exposing wrong doing or just farming practices we don't like.
I see private property rights being attacked all over the country and I am not happy about it.
Zoning is the worst offender

paleotn

(18,102 posts)
7. Like most things, lots of gray area.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 11:08 AM
Feb 2023

But if there are humane treatment laws in NC, it may be legalities and not just someone's opinion of farming practices. It depends.

On zoning, you're bumping into the limits of one's rights, i.e. your rights end precisely where they begin to infringe on others rights. Among other things, zoning laws protect the value and use of other people's property from being infringed on by someone else's use of their property. If I setup a junkyard next to your house, and the value of your property plummets, I doubt you'd be terribly happy about it and rightly so. Rights are not just freedoms, they come with obligations. The simplest of which is, do no harm to others in exercising your freedom.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
10. Zoning is a good idea
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 11:45 AM
Feb 2023

Houses here, business over there and industry has a place.
However the local governments get out of control. I can't cut my trees without asking permission. My community dictates some architecture for housing and industry. I own 16 acres but I am not allowed to build homes for my sons on the property. However the zoning laws are not enforced on everyone! The campground next door does what ever they want.
A guy up the road runs a swimming pool business out of his home. He has dump trucks and heavy equipment on the property.
All this is only some of the issues in my community and it is why I dislike zoning.

paleotn

(18,102 posts)
3. "breach the person's duty of loyalty to the employer."? How does that jive with Whistleblower laws?
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 10:26 AM
Feb 2023

Did NC Republicans ever stop to think that going to great lengths to cover something up is in itself an admission of wrong doing? Otherwise, why the need for the "ag gag"?

Sorry, I'm assuming Republicans are capable of rational thought. My bad.

canuckledragger

(1,676 posts)
8. Republicans see government as a weapon to use against those they don't like
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 11:33 AM
Feb 2023

Sound familiar? It was just projection yet again on their part.

Whether a law they pass to punish their perceived enemies is constitutional or not doesn't matter to them, it's all about power and control...or why would sundown laws exist? Those laws must have been unconstitutional from their conception...but never stopped their implementation and enforcement.

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