New York student, pulls an AR15 rifle on some people...

[virginia mountainman]

..That where actively breaking into his house. Good thing the robbers knew that the AR15 "is ONLY good for killing lots of people, has absolutely no other use at all, and only crazy people and mass killers have them" Since they where of the peaceful sort of home invaders, they ran, and possibly, STILL running...

http://www.13wham.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=3914126

[Swamp Lover]

1. If you believe this thin story backed up by no physical evidence.

Or are these timid little wimps trying to become heroes to the gun nut crowd?

[virginia mountainman]

2. Ok, YOU prove otherwise...LOL....Problems with the narrative getting out of hand?? .....

[Swamp Lover]

3. When they have "perps" in custody the story will have legs. But there are helpful elements.

According to the gun owner, the weapon was properly locked up and stored unloaded.

When common sense prevails and gun owners are subject to strict liability for unsafe practices, there will be a lot more who treat weapons with due respect.

This story may not be believable, but maybe some gun owners will learn a valuable lesson about how to treat a weapon with respect. Had the gun owners who provided the weapons to the killers in Colorado and Sandy Hook been as responsible, there would have been no deaths.

[AtheistCrusader]

35. I can get to my AR in about 20 seconds or less.

Probably grab the shotgun instead though. Nothing says 'get the fuck out of my house' like a semi-auto shotgun.

[sylvi]

43. "timid little wimps"?

The '70s called. They want their machismo back, stud.

[safeinOhio]

4. AR15. Two grand

Secured basement window. $40.

Both stop intruders with BB guns.

[virginia mountainman]

5. Making home invaders forcefully, and completely evacuate to contents of their colons ...

PRICELESS...

[Swamp Lover]

6. Would be more satisfying if they really existed.

What? No comment re: storing weapons, unloaded, in gun safe? Thread getting away from you virg?

[gejohnston]

7. biometric safe

slap magazine in, don't even have to pull back on the charging handle to scare the shit out of anyone.

[Swamp Lover]

8. I concede that there will always be guns because

there will always be weak, frightened, people who cannot live without a crutch.

Gun safes and trigger locks should be part of the gun control debate so that the weakness of some doesn't become a detriment to the rest of us.

[raidert05]

9. weak, frightened, people who cannot live without a crutch....

Because no one has the right to protect themselves or others, everyone should just take it like a "man" and lay down.

[Swamp Lover]

13. Everyone has the right to protect oneself.

Weak, frightened, people have a "victim" complex because they see danger around every corner.

When you are an ant, you are constantly afraid of giants.

Unfortunately many gun nuts are ants who think that a gun makes them a giant. In fact, they are just armed ants. Not the same as a giant.

[holdencaufield]

14. So, just to be clear ...

... victims don't exist?

Because danger doesn't exist around EVERY corner then it doesn't exist around ANY corner?

I think you're doing a disservice to the millions who have been preyed upon by violent people.

[Swamp Lover]

16. No. There are many dangerous people.

I don't know why you want to arm them.

[holdencaufield]

18. But ...

... didn't you just say you don't have to be armed to be threatening? People are dangerous because they

A) have the power to do ill
B) have the willingness to do ill

Having a firearm you are competent to operate available for your protection will, in certain circumstances, negate or, at minimum, equalize A) in a way no other method can. And without A), B) often goes away, at least long enough to resolve the immediate situation.

[Swamp Lover]

21. You don't have to right to avoid ills.

That is one of the primary problems. Too many gun owners feel that a gun is a magic wand that gives them power over others.

A black kid in a hoodie in your neighborhood- get your gun.

Teens playing loud music- get a gun.

Guys at the bar ribbing you because your team lost the big game- a gun makes them respect you.

I have a better solution. Self esteem and a measure of backbone.

[holdencaufield]

22. "You don't have to right to avoid ills."

Are you unfamiliar with the guarantee to "the pursuit of happiness"?

Of course I have the right to AVOID ills -- so do you -- we just don't have the guarantee they won't find us anyway.

USING your gun in any of those situations is already a felony, so why heap more regulation on top of what is already there? Unless your motivation has nothing to do with preventing felonies.

[Swamp Lover]

24. Actually Stand Your Ground Laws make murky the illegality of those scenarios.

And "Pursuit of Happiness" is not a Right outlined in the Constitution, but is a short phrase in the Declaration of Independence, by no means "guaranteed".

[gejohnston]

25. SYG has been around since

the Progressive era, mostly through common law. Even without the laws, the federal level and most if not all states have been SYG for quite sometime. California since about 1895.

[Swamp Lover]

27. Great. All Stand YOur Ground Laws can immediately be repealed.

So I guess you'll be throwing a parade for George Zimmerman. Sorry. I'll be busy that day.

[gejohnston]

29. simply pointing out history

As for Zimmerman, I'll wait for the real truth to come out during trial. I'll either pay for the parade to Stark or increase my cynicism of Florida style trial by media/electronic lynching.

[Swamp Lover]

31. If the Self Defense Hearing finds that Zimmerman is covered by SYG

despite your freakish pal having stalked an unarmed boy, there will be no trial.

[gejohnston]

37. won't be a hearing

he isn't claiming SYG, he is claiming self defense under duty to retreat rules.

[holdencaufield]

26. "We answer to a higher authority" -- Hebrew National Hot Dogs

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."


A right endowed by a Creator trumps a right endowed by Congress any day of the week (and twice on Saturday). Are you familiar with any part of the Constitution that negates rights endowed by my Creator?

You should consider yourself lucky that the 2A is only a Constitutionally-guaranteed right and not guaranteed by the Creator.

[jmg257]

33. Ha...I'm sure that was high on the creator's list...'Lets see...heavens and earth,

Light from darkness, Water and ground, Birds and creatures.....and, oh yeah...let's give every Ass an AR'.

[holdencaufield]

34. Might want to think ...

... about following a conversation before jumping into it.

Or, just keep doing what you're doing. Whatever works for you.

[jmg257]

36. I'll keep at it...more laughs at your expense that way.. '...2nd A right

Guaranteed by YOUR creator'

Some funny shit!


Edit: and so on the 7th day..He joined the Militia...and saw that it was good.

[iiibbb]

40. You don't have a right to assume that all gun owners consider the gun to be the be-all-end-all to

self defense.

Who are you to assume what layers I have?

Who are you to assume that I'm even protecting myself from home invaders every night?


You don't even know. But you fundamental problem is you drop everyone in the same box and assume things meant to be condescending.



I've got 2 close friends who were saved by guns, and they did it without shooting... but the presence of the gun is what turned the situations around.. That trumps anything you've got to say about the matter.

[raidert05]

20. Last time I checked

No one wants to arm murders, robbers, rapist and anyone falling in line with those types of characters. Even if you made all the guns magically disappear more of the same would happen, and here in America we can get plenty creative on ways to do it. Sensible control on purchasing and vetting of individuals should definitely be strengthen and penalties for crimes committed with fire arms should go up too...But in to many situations gun charges are dropped or pleaded out in cases for confession of guilt.

[Swamp Lover]

23. Now we agree.

Guns are far too easy to come by.

We have to do thorough background checks. May take a long time, but it must be done. Many people will fail and cannot have guns.

Sales must be regulated and private sales will not be allowed (just like liquor or cigarettes).

Gun owners will have to be liable for the weapons that they acquire. Mandatory gun safes and trigger locks.

(Sandy Hook and the Colorado Mall shootings were performed by killers who got their weapons from irresponsible gun owners who did not secure their weapons.)

Maximum sentences for gun crimes, including liablility for irresponsible owners.

There- we agree.

[gejohnston]

10. there will always be guns because it is a very old and fairly simple technology

Do all gun control advocates live in fear of Olympic target shooters? I noticed that Feinstien's bill seems to ban those pistols as "assault weapons" as did California until it had to be amended to accommodate Olympians.
here will always be weak, frightened, people who cannot live without a crutch.

Name calling: This techniques consists of attaching a negative label to a person or a thing. People engage in this type of behavior when they are trying to avoid supporting their own opinion with facts. Rather than explain what they believe in, they prefer to try to tear their opponent down.

http://academic.cuesta.edu/acasupp/as/404.htm

[Swamp Lover]

11. Actually I live without fear. That's why I can operate unarmed.

Go to the store, the bank, anywhere in public and private without a weapon. No problem.

But the Lord blessed me with the three B's. Balls, brains and backbone.

For those who have not been adquately blessed, there are weapons.

[gejohnston]

12. I do as well even in countries

that have much higher crime and murder rates in the US, but we aren't talking about that. I think you project or confuse propaganda with critical thinking.

[Swamp Lover]

15. Good for you.

If more gun nuts had higher self esteem, there would be fewer guns.

[gejohnston]

17. projecting again

see above propaganda technique. It has to do with chosen sport, culture, etc. Perhaps if gun control advocates had better arguments or better critical thinking skills, we could have more constructive discussions.

[holdencaufield]

19. Make you a deal ...

... you can call me a frightened, little, man with low self-esteem in an anonymous forum (the only way you could do that) and I'll keep my RKBA.

M'kay, Pumpkin?

[Swamp Lover]

30. Deal.

I've had guns and natural courage. I prefer natural courage.

I can see how a gun is important to you, however.

Just secure the weapon responsibly, and operate it within the law, and your weakness will not be a hazard to the rest of us.

[Remmah2]

39. I am sensing a little insecurity here.

nt

[Bay Boy]

28. But you are afraid...

....you said so. You're afraid of guns and the proliferation of guns.

[Swamp Lover]

32. where?

please cite the post.

[Remmah2]

42. 4B's

Bullshit

[sylvi]

44. "I'll bet..."

"I'll bet you're a big Lee Marvin fan."

[Eleanors38]

41. So "weak, frightened people" describes some 80,000,000+ fellow Americans?

This seems to confirm that the "gun control debate" is more about animosity and culture war with our fellow citizens than about protecting children and lessening crime.

[Remmah2]

38. All of the above.

Throw in a dog for added measure.