Florida woman with concealed weapons permit brandishes gun at Walmart staff over rejected $1 coupon

[Cali_Democrat]

By Arturo Garcia
Tuesday, March 5, 2013

Police arrested a 61-year-old Florida woman for allegedly pointing a gun at Walmart employees, threatening them after the store refused to honor her coupon for $1 off of a purchase and later attacking authorities.

The Smoking Gun reported on Monday that Mary Frances Alday was arrested on March 1 and charged with four counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and one count apiece of battery on a law enforcement officer and resisting arrest with violence stemming from a confrontation in which she allegedly took a Smith & Wesson .38 caliber gun out of her car and pointing it at the staff saying, “I have something for y’all.”

The Wakulla County Sheriff’s Department said in a release that the Crawfordsville, Florida resident “became verbally abusive” toward the store’s assistant manager, Tracy Stockslager, when Stockslager said the store’s policy prevented them from honoring the coupon.

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When asked if she had a weapon in the vehicle, she allegedly told Sgt. Danny Harrell, “Yes, I have a concealed weapons permit, and you are not taking my gun.” She also refused to give up the weapon when asked where it was.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/05/florida-woman-brandishes-gun-at-walmart-staff-over-rejected-1-coupon/



It's a good thing they only issue concealed weapons permits to law-abiding citizens who only want to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.

Well, I guess you're law abiding until you're not.

[truebluegreen]

1. Another responsible gun owner!

[gejohnston]

2. she has a CCW?

not according to the data base unless she lives in a different county.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/cgi-bin/LicWebSrchInd.exe

[Cali_Democrat]

3. Sorry I don't click on exe links

This is what she claims. Has any county allowed her a concealed carry permit?

[gejohnston]

5. I searched only that county

so unless she resided elsewhere, no. Florida is shall issue state wide, which means the standards and criteria are standardized state wide. Granted Florida's training standard is a bit of a joke (IMHO) at least it has one which is more than you can say for New York. I'm not sure of any training standards in California, but some counties are defacto shall issue, IIRC Kern is one, while others are issue only to cronies and campaign contributors like LA and Orange. The main problem I have with may issue is that it gives a police official arbitrary discretion over a civil liberty, which has no place in an open and liberal society.

I think Florida's training needs to be more in depth, probably more like Texas. Why don't I think Florida should go the way of Vermont and Wyoming? because I took a CCW class full of former New Yorkers (Queens/Long Island south here) who couldn't find the cylinder latch (most thought it was the safety) on the house provided revolvers. Some redneck and I had to help the instructor had to show these guys how to load the thing. I got the distinct feeling that was the first time many of them held a real firearm since they got back from World War 2.

[Cali_Democrat]

6. "I searched only that county"

Thought so. My hunch is that this gun nut has a CCW whether from that county or another. Zimmerman also had a CCW when he decided to follow Trayvon Martin.

Trayvon's skin color was obviously a little too dark for comfort. Imagine if he spotted a white woman just going about her businesses. Would Zimmy have had the same reaction? Of course not. Walking while black clearly has its disadvantages. I guess African American teenagers just have to hope gun nuts like Zimmy aren't lurking with their hand guns, exercising the 2nd Amendment rights.

Zimmy was also on his way to Target. Who carries when they're shopping at Target?

Maybe a lot of folks actually.

What a country.

[gejohnston]

8. I doubt she is a "gun nut"

in the sense she know anything about them. Most likely she is in the same class as Zimmerman, who bought it and got the CCW after animal control told him that pepper spray would be not very effective against a pit bull and told him to get a gun instead. It has something to do with him being afraid of a loose pitbull in the neighborhood (as stupid as it sounds, if Seminole County AC is anything like Citrus County, I can picture it. Pits are rarely aggressive to humans and spray will chill a dog out) I think he is dim, but not a racist, at least according to the FBI. Zimmerman's skin tone is actually closer to Trayvon's than it is to mine.

Just because TSG said she was a CCW holder does not make it true that she either is or claimed to be. I always take anything the media claims with more than a grain of salt be it conservative, corporate MSM, or progressive.

[samsingh]

4. another gun nut

[gejohnston]

7. more likely what I call a causal gun owner

[Loudly]

9. Why didn't another CCW permit holder drop her?

That's the story which is waiting to happen. CCW permit holders defensively gone wild at the Wal Mart.

[Eleanors38]

15. Sounds like you can't stand "waiting."

[Loudly]

16. Waiting is suspenseful, even when the natural outcome is inevitable.

[Eleanors38]

18. Kinda like it, too, right?

[Loudly]

19. I prefer a docile society. Indulgence of gun love is utter foolishness.

[holdencaufield]

20. "I prefer a docile society"

Most authoritarians do.

Ever thought of running for Congress?

[Loudly]

22. The guns which you suggest resist tyranny

are terrorizing the People and depriving them of all their genuine rights.

[holdencaufield]

23. Feeling terrorized?

Of which of your Constitutional rights have you been deprived lately?

[Loudly]

24. So far, the fatal bullet has not found me.

But if it does, you'll share in the blame.

[holdencaufield]

25. I'll be sad ...

... but, somehow I'll get, by realizing that I share the blame with the authors of the Constitution.

[Loudly]

26. Something tells me they would reject your companionship.

[holdencaufield]

27. Not at all ...

I'm fond of individual liberty, I have a penchant for women of colour, and I look absolutely SMASHING in tights and a wig.

[friendly_iconoclast]

30. "I prefer a docile society." Let your crypto-fascist flag fly, Shares!

After all, it's not as if you lot even bother trying to hide it lately:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=113191

[Eleanors38]

31. Would that docility extend to the government?

[Loudly]

33. Nations which do not engage in international imperalism

appear not to need as fierce a defense establishment.

By that observation, peacefulness at the macro level is a value worth advocating.

[ileus]

10. Meth is a dangerous thing.

[GreenStormCloud]

11. With over a million permits issued, there will be a few bad apples.

Even with the few bad apples our record is still far better than the general population.

Texas publishes their statistics online. http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/index.htm In 2011, out of 512,000+, citizens with CHLs (Concealed Handgun Liscense) there were only 9 convicted of "deadly conduct" vs 1,353 convictd from the general population of the same charge. For the charge of Aggrevated Assault With A Deadly Weapon it was 3 CHLers convicted versud 2,765 convicted from the general population.

We who have CCWs are an extremely safe, law-abiding group with very few bad apples.

[holdencaufield]

12. An irresponsible permit holder ...

... who will no doubt lose her permit over her irresponsible action.

The system works.

[mwrguy]

13. Typical Toter

[holdencaufield]

14. A base toter?

[Eleanors38]

17. A rubalatin' ruder tuder toter.

[spin]

21. Currently there are over 800,000 resident Floridians with valid concealed weapons permits. ...

Surely if she was a "Typical Toter" we would see a LARGE number of such incidents every month.

Even though concealed carry is very common in Florida, the state is not the Wild West with shootouts at every intersection and on Main Street at high noon. In fact the crime rate is at a 41 year low. http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/News/April-2012/FDLE-announces-lowest-crime-rate-in-41-years.aspx

[Walk away]

28. Ah yes! The well ordered Militia! You have to love that 2nd Amendment!

[Prog_gun_owner]

29. this woman gives gun owners a bad name.

I am sure she will have her permit revoked permanently. Hopefully have her weapons confiscated too.

[Eleanors38]

32. The controllers found a sand-encrusted bone in the desert

and are fighting over it like a pack of pi dogs in back of the truck stop.

[apocalypsehow]

34. Yet another "law-abiding gun owner" in action - right up until the second she wasn't.

[NYC_SKP]

35. Who said she had a CCW permit? Who said that? I'm checking the news articles.

SHE, the criminal, said it.

So much for arguments against the permit that doesn't exist.

Not in favor, not opposed, to CCW, but just want the truth.