They tried to rob the wrong jogger...

[ileus]

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/off-duty-officer-shots-kills-would-be-robber-in-forest/article_4399593d-2b16-56c8-80cb-c2fe37b67b32.html

Don’t make me kill you,” one of them told an off-duty St. Charles County sheriff’s deputy after approaching him and his female jogging partner, authorities say.

The deputy announced he was a police officer and opened fire, killing Antonio Nash, 18, and wounding the two other men in what police say appeared to be a justifiable shooting.

The deputy, 36, and his friend, 23, were uninjured.

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Good thing this off duty officer carried his PSD off duty.

[Warpy]

2. He's highly trained in the use of a gun

and highly trained in when to use it and when not to use it.

Not so the average strutting peacock with his big ugly gun slung across his back in a shopping mall.

I have no problem with police carrying off duty. There are enough squirrels out there with grudges against them to warrant it.

I will leave any area where I see Joe Swaggering Suburb strutting around with that b.u.g. up his ass.

[jeepnstein]

8. Highly trained?

You don't know police officers like I know police officers. We strive to just make sure everyone is reasonably safe and on target. All that stuff you see on TV is fiction.

[shedevil69taz]

11. Isn't it ironic?

That people assume police officers are well trained and should be allowed to carry whenever they want even off duty, but active duty military have to jump through the same hoops every average citizen does in order to carry concealed and we can't even do it on any post? We can be trusted to deploy and carry fully automatic weapons and at minimum 200 rounds on us AT ALL TIMES, but god forbid we want to carry a .38 revolver when in the states

[Warpy]

17. Different training

Military are generally trained to shoot anything that moves.

Police are trained to avoid hitting women, children and old folks in the area.

Sometimes the training doesn't take and we end up with tragedies and a cop kicked off the force.

[gejohnston]

18. Not exactly,

no the cops go to work for NYPD. Private citizens actually have a better record than the cops.

[oneshooter]

19. I take by this that you have never served.

"Military are generally trained to shoot anything that moves."

[shedevil69taz]

24. Ehhhh no

We are extensively trained these days in target acquisition and recognition, and and every ROE that I have had since 2003 ( 3 iraq deployments and 1 to afganyland) has included mandatory minimization of collateral damage and civilian casualties.

[Lurks Often]

16. "Highly Trained?" Seriously?

Most police qualify once, maybe twice a year in good weather on a range with targets at a known distance. To put it more plainly, the average police officer is not a very good shot.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57602998/times-square-shooting-nypd-officers-shoot-two-innocent-bystanders-near-times-square/

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57500574/all-9-empire-state-building-shooting-injuries-by-police

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/04/women-mistaken-chris-dorner-and-shot-lapd-will-get-42-million/645 The police fired over 100 rounds at the pick up truck and the people inside. Not only did they shoot up a vehicle that was a different color and make the Dorner's vehicle, they failed to identify the people inside before opening fire. There were bullet holes in the nearby houses.

[Loudly]

3. This is a guns-as-solution-to-guns story.

Zero points awarded.

[PuffedMica]

5. Dead jogger, raped and abused girlfriend makes better story? n/t

[Loudly]

7. Certainly not. But a gun emboldened the confrontation.

Don't talk to me about the glory of guns in combating crime when the availability of a gun commenced the crime in the first place.

[jeepnstein]

9. I saw where a woman...

beat an attacker senseless with a bicycle pump a week or so ago. That pump certainly emboldened her. In any self defense setting the key is being an unwilling victim. It just so happens a firearm is a much better weapon than a bicycle pump. In the end you have to use what you've got and hope for the best.

[Loudly]

10. That attacker threatened her with a broken bottle and then grabbed her.

The story in that case gets awarded a point from me, even if she had used a gun instead of a bicycle pump.

The unfortunate paradox is, the availability of a gun to her is the same availability of a gun to her attacker.

[gejohnston]

12. availability of a gun to her is the same availability of a gun to her attacker

not exactly, see Chicago, USVI or UK
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2409812/Sabrina-Moss-shot-dead-Kilburn-North-West-London-machine-gun-celebrated-birthday.html

[Loudly]

13. Gun restrictions in the UK should be relaxed?

And she should have been carrying?

Other relevance?

[jeepnstein]

14. Don't care about UK gun laws in the least.

They're free to have whatever they choose to have ruling them.

My point is that a firearm isn't a magic talisman. You have to have a willingness to fight, to not be a victim. That willingness to fight is sorely lacking in some folks.

[gejohnston]

15. meaning

bad guys always have availability even when good guys don't.
UK gun restrictions, like their knife restrictions, reached the point of absurdity esp as it relates to airguns. That is not to say they should lift their 1937 ban on machine guns.

[PuffedMica]

20. “Don’t make me kill you,” embolden enough for you?

Three men, one brandishing a deadly weapon, two others giving every indication they are also armed, communicated a threat on the lives of two people jogging. Faced with a life or death situation, the Deputy used what he had available to end the threat as quickly as possible. It is unfortunate that Antonio Nash died, but he initiated the situation.

It would be instructive to predatory criminals that they could die exercising their chosen profession. Stories like this one should be publicized to the extreme to educate prospective criminals, and perhaps deter a few from coming to the same end as Mr. Nash.

[ManiacJoe]

6. That is OK; no points asked for.

> This is a guns-as-solution-to-guns story.
> Zero points awarded.

It is sad that you think of this as a game.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

22. Wouldn't that crimp the mirth?

[AtheistCrusader]

26. Can you Share your justification for that assessment?

[beevul]

27. For the record, and the jury that hid post 21...

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22no+points+awarded%22&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com

[AnotherMcIntosh]

4. OK, maybe not all cops are bad.

[Jenoch]

23. What I find most interesting about this thread is

the hiding of the first response.

Gun owners get trashed like that on these threads all the time. The reference in the first post was to a felon killed during the commission of a crime.

[MicaelS]

25. Next time someone questions why people Concealed Carry

We can point them to this story.