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Related: About this forumEmpire State gun owners bracing for Cuomo’s confiscation scheme
The next relevant deadline is April 16, 2014 the date the people are supposed to have their long arms registered, said Assemblyman William R. Nojay (R. Pittsford).
The registration system is in place and firearm owners can register today, he said.
Low compliance rates will put the governor in an interesting position especially in an election year, said Nojay. I think registration rates are going to be less than 10 percent.
http://www.humanevents.com/2013/12/08/empire-state-gun-owners-bracing-for-cuomos-confiscation-scheme/
bowens43
(16,064 posts)no one has a valid reason or a right to own a firearm, unless of course you are a member of a well regulated militia......
freaking gun nuts
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)EVERYONE has a right to have a gun, with many exceptions . Are all people Appalled at the NSA situation ALL Conspiracy nuts ?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)are you talking about this group?
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Check it out , and remember all people that don't own guns, aren't against gun owners, just NUTS .
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)but who worries about that little detail.
sarisataka
(18,630 posts)i.e. the retired reserve component of he armed forces, subject to mandatory recall to service, may I assume you have no issue with my ownership of firearms and use thereof to keep my skills useful?
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Wrong legally. Wrong historically. Wrong linguistically.
Nice job...
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Ranchemp.
(1,991 posts)him and another blocked member are the gift that keeps on giving to the 2A, pro-firearms rights movement.
Packerowner740
(676 posts)The SCOTUS has affirmed that right with reasonable regulations. We need to get off this whole lets ban guns idea. Talk of confiscation only hurts the Democrats more and more. Besides its never going to happen.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)You had one of my posts hidden in another thread by alerting on phony rules. Your behavior is the definition of stalking.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)since Skinner allowed gun topics in GD?
Show me the proof please or take that back.
What are "phoney' rules?
I guess you have no comments or are scared to post any
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)only shows the weakness of your position.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Do you have anything, agreement or dissent, to say about the post?
sarisataka
(18,630 posts)I would think it would also be a matter for the activism group members to discuss. If it is a good idea one would think they would wish to brainstorm how it could be made law in other states as well
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Post a link so I can see what you are talking about
No link, it must not have happened and you are just making stuff up and making yourself look bad.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)I had you mixed up with another gun lobbyist.
oldhippie
(3,249 posts)Or apology? OK.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)Is that better?
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Good one !!!!
Straw Man
(6,623 posts)Because it's just so classy to end an apology with an insult.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)which is part of Hiding a post, Apology ? NO . Like I said, nothing against Gun Owners, just the NU Lobbyists .
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I am blocked in the other group after 3 posts, no warning and am not allowed to ever post there again. Thanks for the answer, sorry if I was misunderstood in my post. I thought I was clear but maybe not.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Unless you get five hides total.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)grow up .
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)and as a party we shouldn't have anything to do with BS like this.
RedstDem
(1,239 posts)that shit is fascist
...where are the pro bill of rights democrats?
this bs will drag the whole brand down!
hard to believe a smart person could go so wrong, no common sense i guess.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)California used the same thing to actually confiscate weapons.
sir pball
(4,741 posts)While I'm not particularly anti-registration in theory, I pragmatically dismiss it without prejudice because it's currently an utterly unattainable goal for the pro-control side that makes a great whisk to froth up the pro-guns side, especially with the vocal minority of control advocates who do in fact openly admit that registration is a path to confiscation. Whether or not that is the actual endgame is irrelevant, but it's a surefire way to mobilize the NRA crowd like almost nothing else.
So, let's put that in the box labeled "Do Not Open Until XMas" and move along with more immediate and possibly effective measures like mandatory FFL transfers, universal FOID cards (with a CCW carrot), magazine limits, &c. All of which I wholeheartedly support...funny that, I'm really only opposed to registration and an AWB, both on practical grounds that, but that makes me the unvarnished 100% no-compromise ENEMY. And y'all wonder why a lot of the moderates in this debate just sit on our hands..
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)there your FOID is also your CCW. If you have a FOID, or what the Canadians call a PAL, why would you need mandatory FFL transfers? I think if you get caught with gun and no FOID, the cops can trace the gun to the last 4473 and he or she can explain, or show a bill of sale to someone else, or police report of stolen property.
The 1968 GCA repealed and replaced the 1938 FFA. I would do the same with both NFA and GCA and replace it with something that is coherent and logical. One can take the best of specific provisions from different places and make something that actually makes sense.
sir pball
(4,741 posts)Your situation can happen today, a felon is caught with a gun - trace to the last 4473 and yes there's some 'splainin to do...but more often than not the trail's cold. Especially without any requirement for theft reporting. It's unintrusive, couldn't really be used as a priori registration, and leaves the last legal owner holding a nasty bag if the gun's been up to no good and hasn't been reported stolen. I should probably mention that I do favor some sort of mandatory theft/loss reporting, too. I've never deaccessioned a firearm without a 4473, it's the ultimate CYA if nothing else.
I've always said I'd actually settle for rolling everything under a modified NFA (e.g. no CLEO signoff/"shall-issue", streamline the BGC, so forth) in exchange for reopening the registry, nationwide CCW, and some other perks. I mean, even hardline control advocates admit it works.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)capabilities & abuses, the "closed loop," even paper records of 4473 dealers, look more appealing than most modern electronic privacy options using the innertubes and social media. Such irony.
CFLDem
(2,083 posts)time to give Cuomo a lesson in civil disobedience.
Packerowner740
(676 posts)Is that your take on it?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I am sure he is though