National Rifle Association VP says gun owners will make Obama our ex-president in 2012

[jpak]

http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2012/02/national-rifle-association-vp-says-gun-owners-will-make-obama-our-ex-president-in-2012/

Wayne LaPierre, the legendary, combative executive vice president of the National Rifle Association, is known for his bold pronouncements. And today, speaking to the Conservative Political Action Conference, LaPierre pledged that the NRA’s 4 million members — and the 100 million gun owners in America — will make President Obama an ex-president in November.

“The fight is on and the NRA is all in,” LaPierre said. “When the sun goes down on election day, Obama will have America’s gun owners to thank for his defeat.”

Though he claimed that the Obama administration was restraining its anti-gun policies for a possible second term, he also gave specific examples of Obama’s past political actions that could shed light on his opinions toward the constitutional right to bear arms.

<snip>

“He’s endorsed a total ban on the manufacture and sale and possession of all handguns. He endorsed a ban on the sale and transfer of all semi-automatic firearms. He backed a 500 percent increase that federal taxes on guns and ammunition. He voted to ban single-shot, over, under and side-by-side shotguns. He said the right of lawful citizens to carry a firearm for personal protection should be banned nation wide. In fact, he supported efforts to prohibit Americans from keeping a gun in their homes for self defense. He did all of those things when he thought gun owners in this country didn’t matter.”

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GOP douchebags on parade

They suck

yup

[geckosfeet]

1. Urrrp. Don't think so Wayne. You are grossly misinformed in your little bubble.

I wonder who he would endorse? One of the repuke lizards?

[jpak]

3. He's an asshole

yup

[SteveW]

67. Nah. Democratic gun-owners grew by 1/3 the last 2 years. Obama's safe. Due to us. nt

[bluestateguy]

2. With who? The flip flopping, assualt weapon banning, anti RKBA former Massachusetts governor?

They can point to not one thing Obama has done to take a gun away from anyone.

[bowens43]

4. unfortunately, Obama has done nothing to counter the death merchants.

[friendly_iconoclast]

10. There are more death spewers than ever, some with smoothbore rifled barrels...

...and shoulder things that go up!

[Remmah2]

88. with or without barrel shrouds?

We need to ban pink barrel shrouds.

[rl6214]

12. WTF are you talking about?

WTF is a "death merchant"?

Been watching too many movies like that one with Nicholas Cage, War Lords?

[petronius]

19. "Thank you, but I prefer it my way"

Lord of War

[ellisonz]

32. Great movie...

...great condemnation of the arms trade.

[rl6214]

34. Over seas in third world countries

[ellisonz]

35. Some people would say...

...that many parts of this country are little different from "third world countries." Would you care to define what you mean when you use that term? What are "third world countries" and how are they different from "second world countries" or "third world countries" in relation to small-arms proliferation?

It's a very debated term, and some debate if it's even useful. But maybe that's just the academic in me...

[rl6214]

57. I think I would have to watch the movie again to see where they were selling their guns to...

It's been too many years since I have seen it.

third world countries have no firearms production themselves and were not aligned with the western first world countries or the communist second world countries, therefore needed to purchase their guns from one of the big dogs as far as production capabilities. Most of these third world countries are very, very poor, which is why they don't have the production. Many people think the term third world just means poor nowadays

[ellisonz]

58. So you agree that small arms-proliferation is an issue of international concern?

Or do you simply think things would be better if "third world countries" produced their own small-arms?

[rl6214]

59. You do know that the first and second world governments ARE the largest weapons dealers

in the world? Those guns aren't coming from the gun shop in Dallas or Phoenix or Denver, they are sent over there by our governments and then by waging of war or crooked regimes or crooked politicians or by whatever means they get out to the little people.

Do I agree that small arms-proliferation is an issue of international concern? I believe WE need to stop being the armory of the world. Let's keep them at home.

[ellisonz]

61. Of course I know that...

...I also know that guns have a funny way of ending up in interesting places. I think the more guns you distribute, the more guns will end up in bad hands, whether we are talking in a First or Third World Context. If you make them, they will be used...

[krispos42]

5. LaPierre has gone from "extreme worst-case extrapolation" to "inventing his own reality".

I wonder when he'll announce his candidacy for the Republican nomination?

[baldguy]

6. NRA at racist CPAC rooting for the defeat of a Democratic President.

Where are the "gun enthusiasts" here who make excuses for LaPierre & the insane gun lobby? This is more proof that they're just a front for the RW and the GOP.

[rl6214]

15. I don't belong to the NRA so I don't have a dog in this fight BUT

I'd like to see a link where you can show me where and how the NRA is a racist organization. Also I don't think I've ever seen anyone here that is a "gun enthusiast" making excuses for Lapierre.

If they are a front for the RW and the Gop why do they donate to democrat candidates?

[SteveW]

68. One in progress, here. nt

[msongs]

8. nra = national racist association. the gun industry loves obama = huge sales increase nt

[rl6214]

14. I don't belong to the NRA so I don't have a dog in this fight BUT

I'd love to see a link to something that you can show me that shows the NRA is a racist organization.

[Atypical Liberal]

9. This anti-Obama tirade by the NRA annoys me.

I am annoyed by the fear-mongering of the NRA over Obama. The guy has been completely accommodating with regards to the second amendment so far.

But I'm not annoyed enough to quit the NRA.

[baldguy]

11. The NRA shares the stage at CPAC with white supremacists.

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You support that, huh?

[rl6214]

16. Are you watching the CPAC conference?

Only thing I have seen is a couple of news stories on it but none of them have shown or reported on any "white supremists". Could you link me to a story, I would love to see it myself.

[baldguy]

17. Are you kidding? You should really pay more attention to what your friends are doing:

White Supremacists Showcased At CPAC Conservative Conference
http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/white-supremacists-showcased-at-cpac-conservative-conference/

CPAC: GOProud, No — White Supremacists, Yes.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2012/02/10/cpac-goproud-no-white-supremacists-yes/

White Supremacists Speak at CPAC
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/11/1063802/-CPAC-and-the-White-Supremicists?via=siderecent

White Supremacist Kicks Off Top Conservative Conference CPAC Today
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/1-white-supremacist-kicks-off-top-conservative-conference-cpac-today/news/2012/02/09/34456

CPAC welcomes white nationalists
http://www.salon.com/2012/02/09/cpac_welcomes_white_nationalists/

CPAC Features White Supremacist, Republicans Silent
http://www.thedemocraticstrategist.org/strategist/2012/02/cpac_features_white_supremacis.php

CPAC 2012: Where GOP Bigwigs Hang Out With White Supremacists
http://www.democraticunderground.com/125110736


And all that is just from page one of a simple Google search.

[DWC]

51. I strongly support The Bill of Rights

I strongly oppose illegal immigration.

That position is held by the vast majority of Democrats and Republicans alike.

Tagging an individual or group as racist or white supremacst for opposing illegal immigration is gross, biased propaganda at best and a pointed insult to intelligent, liberal thought.

This type of BS simply helps our political opponents.

Semper Fi,

[baldguy]

52. You didn't even bother to look at any of the links I posted, did you?

If you did, you'd know that it's not just that they oppose immigration.

[DWC]

55. Propagandists restating

the position of an individual or group does not change the actual position of that induvidual or group.

I read the DailyK link and will read others but IMO this is anti-gun extremeists attempting to play the race card AGAIN when no race issue exist to get support of their agenda by lies and deception.

Semper Fi,

[baldguy]

56. Right. The SPLC is a bunch of propagandists. And the CCC just sponsors innocent community picnics.

Next you'll be whining that gun control advocates are all communists, too.

[DWC]

63. I am certain not all gun control advocates are communists.

A few of them are just not that stupid.

Semper Fi,

[Atypical Liberal]

37. Nope.

I just support the gun rights part.

[baldguy]

38. Wrong. You do support that - every time you send the NRA money.

Anyone who supports the NRA as it is today can't seriously pretend to support Obama or the Democratic Party.

[Atypical Liberal]

42. Did the NRA set up the venue?

I don't think the NRA set up that venue.

In the last election, the NRA gave high marks to all of my Democratic candidates except one, and 3 were the endorsed candidate.

[BiggJawn]

45. Ohhhhhhhhhh.... The World Famous "DU Litmus Test"...

(Rubs Litmus paper in your face)
"Nope, you're not blue enough to be a Democrat!"

Bullshit.

[baldguy]

47. No, people who support Republican front groups aren't "blue" enough to be Democrats.

[BiggJawn]

48. Says you.

You're still pulling the litmus test bullshit.

[baldguy]

50. Where do you draw the line? The NRA unabashedly stands with racists & proudly works with the GOP

To defeat Democratic Presidents using their usual lies and deceit.

The Democratic Party is a big tent, but it's certainly not big enough to include unrepentant, unreconstructed Republicans.

[DonP]

60. Perhaps you should just demand that Skinner throw anyone that doesn't bash the NRA off DU?

Or whatever your Democrat litmus test is.

My Democrat Representative would fail your test.

Since you've made yourself the self appointed DU Cop this week, (the latest of many that have come ... and gone).

Demand that he throws them all out and shut down the Gungeon immediately. Tell him you won't stand for all these "sinners" surrounding you on DU.

Just let us know when we should all plan on finding a new home. We'll wait here.

[SteveW]

69. Are you accusing Atypical of racism? Let's be clear, now. nt

[baldguy]

73. The poster chose where to stand; I just pointed out that it wasn't the cleanest spot on the planet.

The NRA unabashedly stands with racists & proudly works with the GOP to defeat Democratic Presidents using their usual lies and deceit. In my mind, that's not a group a "Liberal" or a "Democrat" would choose to associate themselves with. Most people here seem to agree with me.

[PavePusher]

77. The ACLU has supported the Civil Rights of the KKK.

Are you a member of the ACLU? Do you support their work?

If so, why have you not renounced them?

[baldguy]

78. Show me where the ACLU is campaigning against the Democratic President of the United States.

Show me where the ACLU supports Republican Party principles exclusively. Show me where the ACLU fosters RW propaganda and spends millions of dollars to suppress the truth.

Because that's what the NRA does.

[ellisonz]

33. "But I'm not annoyed enough to quit the NRA."

[Atypical Liberal]

36. The NRA works at what it is supposed to do.

Why would I quit the best instrument of collective bargaining the firearm-rights people have?

[rl6214]

13. Do you have something to say other than the juvenile name calling?

I think the president has been pretty clear on his opinions on gun control in his first term, I hope he dosen't change anything in his second term.

[jpak]

20. LaPierre is an asshole

yup

[Logical]

26. You seem to trust the NRA more than Obama? Odd on a liberal forum.

[rl6214]

28. Please point out ANYWHERE that I have said I trust, support, back or even like the NRA.

Accusing someone of something that is totally false and without any proof to back it up, odd on a liberal forum.

[Logical]

30. I guess I was curious why you cared if someone insulted any asshole from the NRA....and your....

use of the "I Hope" about Obama's 2nd term. Maybe you are not confident Obama is telling the truth. Like the NRA is not confident.

If I misunderstood I am sorry.

[rl6214]

31. As I posted a couple of other times, I do not belong to the NRA or read any of their crap

so I don't have a dog in this fight. With that said, I am often curious as to why people can't just debate the topic, ask and answer questions without the often juvenile name calling, cursing and juvenile shtick that is so often seen here. It really dosen't add to the discussion by posting "gop/nra assholes" or "douchebags" and that is the only comment. I guess I was raised and I still say thank you, please, you're welcome, excuse me and that sort of thing to people I don't even know.

As far as the I hope, I also posted up thread that I am glad that the president has been friendly towards the gun rights crowd but I don't think it's unthinkable to say with his record that he may try to enact some sort of gun control laws during a second term. That's not parroting NRA talking points, that's just thinking out loud about what could happen based upon his past record and comments early on from members of his cabinet.

[era veteran]

18. The gun industry has made bank over paranoia like this.

The ammunition industry too. The only thing that could of been better than a black Democrat would of been the late Gus Hall.

[SteveW]

70. One thing is certain: Gun-controllers MADE the modern NRA...

Wayne LaPierre didn't just spring forth from the head of Zeus.

[aikoaiko]

21. How can gun restrictionists let a flaming a-hole like LaPierre spank your butts so badly.

Even as an NRA member I can see how much he insanely exaggerates and yet he is kicking your ass.

No matter what you call him or how you denigrate him (either justifiably or not) he still has a more effective message that the Brady Bunch, VPC, MAIG, etc.

[baldguy]

22. LaPierre's extremeism, like that of the RW generally, is a sign of failure.

Just who are the "moderate" advocates of gun ownership? Where are the gun enthusiasts denouncing the NRA and their participation in CPAC & their advocacy of white supremacy?

The answer is of course: THERE AREN'T ANY.

They've gone to the same place as "moderate" Republicans - if they do survive they have no influence, no power, no money & no voice. Anyone who supports the NRA as it is today can't seriously pretend to support Obama or the Democratic Party.

[gejohnston]

23. the NRA's money

is independent of the GOP or anyone else. Do you always believe in guilt by association? Before you answer that, remember Billionaire Bloomburg's crack down on OWS, his support for supply side economics, NYPD selling NYPD guns to gangs, and the criminals that make up MAIG.

[baldguy]

24. All you can do is attack me speciously; you can't answer the question honestly.

[gejohnston]

25. not attacking you

simply pointing out every one keeps questionable company. You know what they say about politics and bedfellows.
Would you still despise the NRA if the hunter/environmentalists took control back from the hardliners?

[tucsonlib]

27. "Would you still despise the NRA if the hunter/environmentalists took control back.....?"

Not gonna happen, so the question is meaningless.

HOWEVER......There is an alternative:


http://www.theliberalgunclub.com/


And membership is free.

[gejohnston]

29. already a member

thanks.
I can always hope.
The sad thing is that if Wayne and Ted types were in charge in the 1930s, they would bitch about Pat Roberson's dad wanting a sales tax on guns and other outdoors stuff for restoring wildlife habitat. They do the cause more harm than good with their nonsense.

[aikoaiko]

39. Here ya go: As an NRA member I denounce the NRAs participation in CPAC...

and I especially denounce CPAC. I also denounce LaPierre's and the NRA's hyperbole, exaggerations and lies in the pursuit of defending the 2nd Amendment.

But I do not denounce the NRA's legitimate defense of the 2nd amendment.

edited to add: If the NRA had anything to do with President Obama ignoring and abandoning the nut case anti-rkba movement, then they are helping him win the next election.

[baldguy]

40. Actions speak louder than words.

Anyone who supports the NRA as it is today - in any way - can't seriously pretend to support Obama or the Democratic Party.

[aikoaiko]

41. I support reelecting President Obama 100%. And as far as I know, he accepts my support.

I support the NRAs defense of a civil liberty which even the ACLU has done a poor job of defending.

There is no need to do a variation on the "no true scotsman". Even though I think your stance on the civil liberty protected by the 2nd Amendment (RKBA) is benighted and regressive, I still welcome you in the Democratic party and your support for President Obama.

[baldguy]

43. 100%? When you give money to one of the major lobbying groups actively opposing him?

Sorry, that's not what "100%" means in the real world.

[aikoaiko]

44. Because you are confused your comment is forgivable.

My membership money goes to the NRA and not the political action arm called the NRA-ILA which also accepts donations but none from me.

I have no reservations about reelecting President Obama. That is what 100% support means to me.

[baldguy]

46. Are you really so obtuse that you believe there is any difference?

They're Republicans. They lie for a living.

[aikoaiko]

53. Obtuse? Thats awfully funny coming from you.

Until I see the ACLU, Brady Bunch, VPC and more politicians protecting the 2nd amendment for law abiding residents of the USA I am stuck with the NRA applying pressure on all politicians who would undermine the individual right to keep and bear arms.

If you want to the NRA to be powerless, then protect the individual right to keep and bear arms.

I'm not obtuse. We simply disagree on the individual right to keep and bear arms.

[BiggJawn]

49. It's not "No True Scotsman", it's the variation...

... called "No TRUE Democrat or Liberal owns guns" fallacy.

I get tired of anonymous strangers trying to tell me what I do and don't believe or support, don't you?

[aikoaiko]

54. It is tiresome, but because RKBA supporters are winning I try to be tolerant of anti-RKBA folks.

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Their cause is withering or at least being contained to the fanatic fringe. They are like others who fought against civil liberties -- weak and desperate.

Even President Obama won't mention them.

[Starboard Tack]

64. But you do not renounce your membership in the NRA.

Do you call that cherry picking or faustinian opportunism?

[aikoaiko]

65. I call it politick.

But it does feel a little faustian at times.

[PavePusher]

76. The ACLU has supported the Civil Rights of the KKK.

Are you an ACLU member? Do you support their work? If so, why have you not renounced them?

[tucsonlib]

79. With All Due Respect....

That is an unfair comparison. The ACLU's raison d'etre is to defend the civil rights of ALL Americans, regardless of their political stripe. While I may find the politics of some of the groups they choose to defend to be revolting, I have to admire their even-handed, apolitical approach. Also, they don't stoop to lies and fear-mongering, and you won't find their leaders giving keynote speeches at partisan political gatherings. It's nonsense to pretend that the NRA hasn't turned into an arm of the right wing; that they don't resort to shameless lying and character assassination to advance their political (and corporate) agenda.

Here's my prediction: As soon as Obama gets reelected, the gullible and paranoid will spark (another) episode of panic buying. Once again, prices will skyrocket and the shelves will be (temporarily) bare. Meanwhile, there won't be a single piece of firearms-related legislation enacted by the Obama Administration. The NRA doomsayers will fall strangely silent..... until 2016 when they will once again warn of the catastrophic consequences of voting Democratic.

[Starboard Tack]

80. I don't think the ACLU is trying to eject Obama from the White House.

Do you think that an organization's support for the Second Amendment excuses it's propaganda campaign against OUR Democratic President? I don't care where Obama is on this issue. I want him re-elected, period. If you want to support his sworn enemy, that's on you.

[gejohnston]

81. one question I have

Was Wayne speaking for Wayne, or was he speaking for the NRA? My guess is that he was speaking for himself, just like Ted Nugent speaks for himself.

[Starboard Tack]

82. Let's see

Wayne LaPierre, the legendary, combative executive vice president of the National Rifle Association, is known for his bold pronouncements. And today, speaking to the Conservative Political Action Conference, LaPierre pledged that the NRA’s 4 million members — and the 100 million gun owners in America — will make President Obama an ex-president in November.

Sounds clear enough that he was speaking for the NRA and it's 4 million members. That means every member, unless, of course, those members denounce him as the nutjob he is.

[gejohnston]

83. I can't speak for

the 4 million NRA members or the other 99 million other gun owners, but I cringe every time he opens his mouth. I'm sure you would cringe every time you find a Carl Rown type story. I am guessing the vast majority of the others have no idea what he said or have ever heard of CPAC.
All Obama has to is ask Mitt "so, tell us about the gun ban you signed as MA gov." during some debate.

[tucsonlib]

85. "Ted Nugent speaks for himself"?

He is, after all, an NRA board member.

[SteveW]

71. Gun-controllers made the modern NRA. You can thank yourself for that. nt

[Paladin]

74. Stupidity, Right-Wing Political Enablers, And Rampant Paranoia Made The Modern NRA.

But if it makes you feel better to blame gun control advocates for a shitheel like LaPierre, knock yourself out. With enemies like LaPierre, my side of the argument needs far fewer friends.....

[gejohnston]

75. you still need

better quality friends than a couple of billionaires, a astro turf foundation, and MAIG that has more felons per capita than any organization that I can think of short of the mob.

[Kennah]

62. I'm a life member of the NRA, but get real Wayne

Mittens? Please. I used to think he had the nomination in the bag, but now I ain't sure. He's the most anti-gun of the crowd and if he wins the odds of a third party candidate are greatest.

Nutty Newtie? The American people will tune out on ethics, and it's the GOP that is fighting a culture war this year. With the economy improving, what else can they do?

Crazy Grandpa? Most pro-gun of the crowd, but Americans will never vote for full on Libertarian freaks, even when they change parties and join the GOP. I mean the differences are, umm, ah, nevermind.

Frothy? Pro-gun, but his collection of brown shirts and religious fervor won't sit well with a lot of the RW gun community, who are not religious culture warriors.

This will be 1996 all over again, but a larger margin of victory and more House and Senate seats going D.

[AtheistCrusader]

66. The NRA is going to make itself irrelevant, and hemorrage members this year.

ESPECIALLY if the GOP nomination is Romney.

I'm actually looking forward to these assholes getting their political leadership taken down a few notches, and it would be nice to see an alternative to the NRA arise, that goes by the founding principles.

[SteveW]

72. Gun-controllers are obsessed with the NRA. Figures, since they juiced 'em up. nt

[tucsonlib]

84. Check Out These Folks:

http://www.theliberalgunclub.com/

Their mission statement:

"The mission of The Liberal Gun Club is to provide a voice for gun-owning liberals and moderates in the national conversation on gun rights, gun legislation, firearms safety, and shooting sports.

We serve as a national forum for all people, irrespective of their personal political beliefs, to discuss firearms ownership, firearms use, and the enjoyment of firearms-related activities free from the destructive elements of political extremism that dominate this subject on the national scale.

We also actively develop and foster a variety of programs for the purpose of firearms training and firearms safety education, for both gun owners and non-gun owners."


And membership is FREE!

[Doctor_J]

86. And yet the NRA continues to have a huge fan club here

the brainwashing campaign has been a thundering success.

I wonder if there are huge pro-choice forums at the right-wing sites. Or pro-public school groups. Or vocal pro-union masses. Somehow I doubt.

On a related topic, jpak, you often blame liberals for the resounding defeat in 2010. Look around this group and wake the hell up.

[gejohnston]

87. Wayne is not the whole NRA

nor is gun rights an exclusively right wing cause. There was a time when gun control advocates leaned far to the right (as in keeping their evening attire in the linen closet), mostly in the south. It can serve the right wing's purposes as well as the left's.

Take for example the so called AWB:

Number of Democrats voting for the AWB: 50/53 (94.3%)
Number of Republicans voting for the AWB: 45/47 (95.7%)
Republicans:
Richard Shelby (AL), Frank Murkowski, Ted Stevens (AK), JOHN MCCAIN (AZ), Christopher Bond (MO), Conrad Burns (MT), Judd Gregg, Bob Smith (NH), Pete Domenici (NM), Alfonse D'Amato (NY), Duncan Faircloth, Jesse Helms (NC), Don Nickles (OK), Robert Packwood (OR), Arlen Specter (PA), John Chafee (RI), J. Thurmond (SC), Larry Pressler (SD), Kay Hutchison (TX), George Brown, Ben Campbell (CO), William Roth (DE), Connie MAck (FL), Paul Coverdell (GA), Larry Craig, Dirk Kempthorne (ID), Daniel Coats, Richard Lugar (IN), Charles Grassley (IA), Bob Dole, Nancy Kassebaum (KS), Mitch McConnell (KY), William Cohen (ME), Thad Cochran, Trent Lott (MS), Robert Bennett, Orrin Hatch (UT), James Jeffords (VT), John Warner (VA), T. Gorton (WA), Alan Simpson, Malcolm Wallop (WY)

Democrats:
Howell Heflin (AL) Dennis DeConcini (AZ), Dale Bumpers, David Pryor (AR) Barara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein (CA), Max Baucus (MT), J. Exon, J. Kerrey (NE), Richard Bryan, Harry Reid (NV), William Bradley, Frank Lautenberg (NJ), Jef Bingaman (NM), Daniel Moynihan (NY), John Glenn, Howard Metzenbaum (OH), David Boren (OK), Harris Wofford (PA), Claiborne Pell (RI), Ernest Hollings (SC), Tom Daschle (SD), Harlan Matthews, James Sasser (TN), Chris Dodd, Joe Lieberman (CT), Joe Biden (DE), Bob Graham (FL), Sam Nunn (GA), Daniel Akaka, Daniel Inouye (HI), Carol Braun (IL), Thomas Harkin (IA), Wendell Ford (KY), John Breaux, John Johnston (LA), George Mitchell (ME), Barbara Mikulski, Paul Sarbanes (MD), Edward Kennedy, John Kerry (MA), Carl Levin, Don Riegle (MI), Paul Wellstone (MN), Pat Leahy (VT), Charles Robb (VA), Patty Murray (WA), Robert Byrd, John Rockefeller (WV), Herbert Kohl (WI)

Republicans voting against:
David Durenberger (MN),Mark Hatfield (OR)

Democrats voting against:
Paul Simon (IL), Russell Feingold (WI)

Not voting: Byron Dorgan - Democrat (ND)

A renewal bill was introduced in 2008, but Pelosi did not let it see the light of day.

Outside of the RR, there may be. Or even pro choice conservatives (the current crop of "conservatives" are really reactionaries and right wing radicals.)
Last time I checked the ToS, it said Democrats, supporters of Democratic candidates that range from the center to the left. That is a pretty big tent. That is the very definition of liberalism (defined as open minded and free of dogma). Is Cheney going to post pro marriage equality (which he is) at freerepublic? Probably not. DU is not freerepubic left? No. Nor should it be.

Personally, I gave up on the NRA after the hunter/environmentalist faction lost to Wayne at the Cincinnati Rebellion and jumped on the crazy train. I would like to see the best of both, but I don't see that happening.
In the mean time, I joined the these guys. http://www.theliberalgunclub.com/

[AtheistCrusader]

89. Can you cite some?

I've seen a couple people positive about the NRA's gun safety training programs, but that's about it. Even gun owning dem's on this site tend to dissaprove of the NRA's political entity.

[ellisonz]

90. There are a couple...

...who argue that the NRA would give more to Dems too if they just folded to some of the NRA's extremist positions. Believing in responsible gun ownership is not the same thing as being a "gun grabber." Have you read the NRA questionnaire?

[AtheistCrusader]

91. Ah, a 'couple', I see.