NRA Hipster: Give All Kids a Gun

[doxydad]

The newest pro-gun propaganda: make firearm education compulsory in schools and create gun-required zones.

National Rifle Association News contributor, Billy “I’m a thinker” Johnson, has a new idea for education in America: give everyone a gun, starting with kids.

“Gun policy driven by our need for guns would insist that we introduce young people to guns early and that we'd give them the skills to use firearms safely," the resident hipster gun enthusiast says in a YouTube video posted to the NRA's channel Sunday. His solution? Stop regulating access to guns, as if “they’re bad or dangerous.” Instead, he muses, why not regulate as if all people need guns, everywhere? "What if instead of gun free-zones we had gun-required zones?" he asks.

Johnson’s video mirrors some 80 other heavily produced video op-eds, from seven “NRA Commentators,” meant to attract specific demographics (mostly millennials) into the gun-rights fight.

Not mentioned in the video: firearms kill or injure 10,000 American children each year.

AGAIN: Not mentioned in the video: firearms kill or injure 10,000 American children each year

NO MORE GUNS. STOP THE VIOLENCE. STOP SELLING GUNS.

[BigAlanMac]

1. Out of curiosity,

where did you get that statistic of 10,000 children per year?
That seems a trifle high.

[Lint Head]

3. Maybe the stat is from here.

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/the-toll-gun-violence-children

[BigAlanMac]

6. That article is a little mis-leading

In the 2009 Kids’ Inpatient Database (KID), 7,391 children under the age of 20 had been hospitalized for injuries from firearms and the majority of those gunshot injuries —4,559—resulted from intentional firearm assaults. 2,149 of those injured were accidents, and 270 were suicide attempts. Of the children who were hospitalized, 453 – 6% – died from their injuries.

Many of those "children under 20" are/were gang bangers and as far as I'm concerned if they are old enough to join the armed forces with or without parental permission they aren't children.

[Lint Head]

12. It's all guns. Sandhook was not a result of Gang Bangers.

[hack89]

14. And Sandy Hook is the rare exception

Here is the FBI data on murder victims broken down by age and weapon. Notice a huge jump when you get to age 17.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl09.xls

Here is the FBI data on murder offenders broken down by age. Again notice a huge jump when you get to age 17.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl03.xls

Teenagers and young men killing other teenagers and young men are the real problem here. Focus on them and you will significantly reduce gun violence.

[Lint Head]

15. Again. Guns.

[hack89]

16. So tell me your plan.

I am assuming you have given this some real thought.

[Lint Head]

17. Why? Do I know you? Tell me your pain.

[hack89]

18. Most gun controllers never get beyond emotion and magical thinking

to "solve" our gun problem. I just wondered if you had given it any thought and actually had some realistic ideas. That's all.

I have no pain - live is very good at the moment.

[Lint Head]

19. Apparently you have labeled me as a "gun controller" simply because I gave

guidance as to where the 10,000 figure came from. I also don't have a "magical thinking" issue. But my realistic eyes and brain show me dead children and innocent victims. There can never be or ever will be "realistic" solutions until the name calling and "labeling" stops and a "realistic" dialog begins.

[hack89]

20. "It's all guns."

that tells me that your focus are guns and not people. Just wondering if you have any ideas to actually fix the problem of "guns".

[Lint Head]

21. So the worn out cliche' that "guns don't kill, people do" seems to be your simplistic mantra.

Simplistic thinking and name calling will not solve the problem. As long as that is your thinking, no answer I can give will satisfy.
Ask the person who accidentally dropped a gun that killed his child if he or she killed his child or if the "gun" accidentally killed his child. Life is complicated and again there are no simplistic answers. There are no answers until the name calling and "assumptions" stop.
"It's all guns" tells you nothing more about me than "guns were involved". It does not give you deep meaning to my beliefs or psyche.
But, you have revealed to me that you own guns or a gun and the Heston "cold dead hands" quote is probably one you use often. But I could be wrong.
I'm willing to admit I'm wrong about an issue. I rarely hear a person on the gun admiring side of the issue say they are ever wrong. One thing I will admit. I'm a Democrat posting on DU and I own several guns with which I am extremely proficient at using and the NRA and the creep that runs it is "dead" wrong.

[hack89]

22. I think gun violence is a very complex social problem

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that defies simplistic solutions. I support most gun control proposals with the exception of registration and an AWB.

[oneshooter]

2. doxy, are you doing another post amd run?

Or are you willing to stand up and discuss this issue like a real human?

[IronGate]

10. It appears that we are graced with the presence of another SecularMotion. nt.

[Duckhunter935]

4. do you have any comments?

how are you working at stop selling all guns? I am all fore mandatory gun safety classes that a parent can opt out of.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

5. I have a few questions

Not mentioned in the video: firearms kill or injure 10,000 American children each year.

Video? What video? No links to a video.

Where does the "10,000" statistic come from?

What does "NO MORE GUNS." mean? Are you proposing a house-to-house search and confiscation?

What does "STOP SELLING GUNS." mean? Sales by FFLs, private sales...

[IronGate]

7. "NO MORE GUNS. STOP THE VIOLENCE. STOP SELLING GUNS."

Just out of curiosity, and I've asked you before, but you failed to answer, how do you propose to do this?
Within the confines of the Constitution of course.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

13. I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest that the means for removing guns from society involves

lots of guns.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

24. That's got to be wrong

I read so often that the solution to a gun problem is never more guns.

[NYC_SKP]

8. For starters, the "10,000 children" figure is a flat-out typical for the gun control franchise....

Yanno, I honestly think that gun control nuts are doing a disservice to their own cause when they make shit up or cite sources that are working with Bogus (lol) numbers.

This is not to suggest that I agree or disagree with the Billy Johnson thing.

I don't have a gun fetish, so I don't go looking for shit about guns or gun control or the NRA, I don't happen to care about the NRA.

I am, however, entertained by the rhetoric issued by both sides of the issue.

[DonP]

9. How about some videos from the "Gun Control Channel"?

With 90% of the population agreeing with you on the issue and with over $50 million in walking around money from Bloomie this year alone, I'm sure you "Activists" must have your own channel, right?

Maybe with old videos of Shannon Watts for filler between hilarious gun control videos, touting how good for your kids GMO foods are, from the "good old days" at Monsanto?

I can't believe that an organizations that's dieing from lack of popular support like the NRA has a better communications network than a "popular" movement like gun control.

Or do you still have to recycle 4 year old cartoons again and again to try and get your point across?

[NYC_SKP]

11. A few links (that you should have included):

First, here's the original article, you should always put a link to your source, that's like a middle school standard.

Here: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/23/nra-hipster-give-all-kids-a-gun.html

Second, lets always be sure to round up the the next 10,000.

Truth from the article cited: 7,391 hospital visits in 2009. Let's just call that an even 10,000 cuz that's so much more scary.

And, finally, some useful advice that could actually lower the number of injuries significantly:

http://www.webmd.com/parenting/features/gun-safety-kids

You can tell trash posts from the tendency to not discuss once posted, and to not provide any reasonable effective solutions that might actually have a chance in hell of ever happening.

I think we really need to require some safety training, I'd make it mandatory for gun purchases and make annual (at least) gun safety trainings mandatory for student and parents throughout K12.

Knowledge and education can solve most any problem.

[russ1943]

23. Accurate info, as best we can determine, is good.

The 7,391 hospitalizations firearms caused, were not ALL the visits to hospitals caused by firearms. There are some firearms caused injuries that are treated at hospital emergency departments and released. The patient/victim isn’t hospitalized. WISQARS shows over 14,000 Firearm Gunshot Nonfatal Injuries of young folk 19 & under in 2009. Another 2811 were fatalities. To say “Firearms kill or injure 10,000 American children each year.” Isn’t rounded up as you accuse, but an understatement.


Article; Hospitalizations Due to Firearm Injuries in Children and Adolescents

John M. Leventhal, MDa,
Julie R. Gaither, RN, MPH, MPhilb, and
Robert Sege, MD, PhDc

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/133/2/219