It seems there is no end to useless ineffectual measures...

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

...created allegedly to make us safe but, in reality, are only continuing the culture war.

A gun does not CAUSE violence.

Without treating the disease, itself, the symptoms will vary, the infection will spread and nothing will improve.

[virginia mountainman]

1. People are not using their heads at all..

They are reacting on a pure emotional level, and they have turned to faith-based solutions.

California has some of the strictest gun control in the nation, turned out to be useless. So they are doubling down with the faith based solutions.

[upaloopa]

4. We need federal laws which your type oppose

than you use the state gun law meme

[virginia mountainman]

6. Ok then,

Take over the congress and senate... By running on a pro gun control platform..

Wait, there's that pesky problem of "weak" gun control support in the real world.

[Eleanors38]

2. In a curious way, the banners seem to be using a GOP playbook...

of relying on law enforcement (bans and controls) instead of using positive social policy, what liberals and progressives are supposed to be about. One thing's for sure: it's an endless loop where outrage seems more important than solving problems.

[sarisataka]

7. I am truly puzzled

Bush is universally despised but when it comes to guns the policies of his reign- Secret lists, warrantless searches, extra-legal detention, restriction of free speech and other civil rights violations- suddenly are palatable and reasonable.

I have to stand with Mr Franklin on this one, security and freedom are not mutually exclusive.

[Warren Stupidity]

10. that is utter bullshit

gun control legislation does not require:

Secret lists,
warrantless searches,
extra-legal detention,
restriction of free speech
other civil rights violations

other than that you make an excellent point.

[sarisataka]

11. I have seen each

And every one of those proposed and supported in GD. I neither said nor believe they're necessary for gun control seems like a Large percentage would be willing to accept them in the effort to achieve gun control

Just one example, you cannot you have not seen all the support the secret terror watcch list has been receiving lately.

[Duckhunter935]

19. Hillary Clinton

And Bernie want to use those secret Bush lists, sickening

[upaloopa]

3. The gun is the constant in every case

Remove the gun and there is no shooting

I think reasonable people understand this

[sarisataka]

5. I have seen several posters

Who are strongly pro-control admit removing guns is impossible both legally and logistically. Simple logic shows they are correct.

If simple GC measures cannot pass how in the name of Dog are the most extreme control measures going to be put into law?

If that could somehow happen, there is the small issue of collecting guns. A 99% success rate would still leave 3 million guns available, every one of them in the hands of a criminal.

However if someone suggests reducing poverty, better education opportunities, increasing employment, fighting racism or improving healthcare- attacking many of the forces that increase crime and violence (and traditional pillars of Democrats)- they are accused of deflecting.

In my view it all comes down to what is the real goal? Is it reducing crime and violence or is it only about guns? The overlap is a small subset of the former.

[sanatanadharma]

8. These is not a forum for reasonable people...

...it is a forum for people to rationalize reasons for exonerating the one constant, THE GUN.

Meanwhile some of these same many defenders of the status-quo of brain splattered America, call for more guns as the magic-wand to create a more polite society.

If the gun can't cause violence. It can't cure violence.

What is the magic reserve number of slaughtered Americans that must be reached before reason rules over rounds.

[Eleanors38]

17. Murderous humans is the constant in all murders.

[Warren Stupidity]

9. gun control has worked in other countries that had mass shootings

the problem is not that gun control is ineffectual, it is that we do not have the political will to enact gun control.

[DonP]

12. Gun Control as a movement is either really lazy or utterly ineffectual

20 years now and even with Billionaire Bloomberg and friends $$$ backing it now, there is still no grass roots movement or infrastructure pushing gun control. Online whining about it doesn't really count as a "movement".

No self reflection about what they might do better, just a weak ass reflex to always blame the Evil NRA boogeyman for "buying the House and the Senate" because they can't get shit done. At the same time they keep claiming 90%/a majority of Americans agree with them.

Not even a movement with petitions to try and repeal concealed carry in a single state.

Just a truckload of excuses and blame to pass around. That's just another less polite way to say "no political will".

Lazy and/or ineffectual? Maybe both?

Good thing violent crime keeps falling, huh?

[gejohnston]

14. name one

before you say Australia, the Port Authur killer didn't get his guns legally and one of them was stolen from a police armory. Tasmania, like every other Australian state, had a licensing system. There were two or three mass shootings before then. There has been one mass shooting since, plus several mass murder by arson.
Oh,
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/drive-by-shooting-up-by-41-per-cent/story-e6frg6nf-1226329985537

There is no evidence the National Firearms Agreement worked as advertised. Mexico's gun laws are stricter than UK's, and Venezuela has a complete ban, but has the second highest murder rate in the world. When you adjust for population, eight European countries have more mass shootings than we do.

[Warren Stupidity]

15. Australia Canada Great Britain.

Now do your gunzplain

[gejohnston]

16. wrong. I already pointed out

why not Australia. GB had one event and had strict gun control laws before. There is zero evidence that confiscating handguns had any effect. Same with Canada. Research mass murders in these places.
Your logical fallacy would be post hoc ergo propter hoc, except the information you have is false.

[oneshooter]

18. So what laws wouls you want that would have prevented any of the murders?

Only one caveat, they must pass muster under the Current Constitution and SC rulings.

[beevul]

13. Yep.

<Terrorists attack using guns and explosives, and have an 'bomb factory' where they were living>

"We need gun control" followed by a hundred lovely suggestions to screw the average gun owner while preventing future terrorist events and the like, not at all.

Do they think of themselves as invisible, or the entire world as blind?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

20. There's this great line from...

...Three Days of the Condor: "You people think not getting caught in a lie is the same as telling the truth."

It's an attitude among elitists.