No current SYG or Castle laws will be impacted by the Zimmerman case. The best that can....

[Logical]

come out of this is that police departments around the country will treat self defense shootings with more importance and gather evidence and treat it like a crime scene.

The pro-gun control people will get no relief from this case.

If the Dems try to use Zimmerman, who I think was 100% wrong, it will make the Dems more vulnerable to the NRA and Right Wing GOP politicians who will beat us up over trying to control guns.

[TheCowsCameHome]

1. Time will tell

.......but I would tend to disagree about the impact, at this point.

This is ugly to the core. SYG will be a tough sell after this mess, and it should be.

[eqfan592]

14. Maybe, but I seriously doubt it.

The only people who are going to be impacted by this are those who may have been on the fence on the issue, and with major figures, including the head of the NAACP, coming out and saying it wasn't the law but the SPD that was the issue, that's going to work against those who wish to repeal SYG.

[Hoyt]

2. Who really cares about what NRA and right wing gun nuts think.

[krispos42]

11. You do n/t

[rl6214]

38. Who really cares about what the Brady bunch and the anti-gun zealots think?

[Life Long Dem]

3. Who is trying to control guns?

It's not about gun control or the 2nd amendment. It's about the SYG law.

[Logical]

4. No one here is trying to control guns? Really?

[Life Long Dem]

12. Who is talking about DU?

[JDPriestly]

32. If the following happens:

"police departments around the country will treat self defense shootings with more importance and gather evidence and treat it like a crime scene,"

then the irresponsibly gun-happy will be more careful.

I have my opinions about gun laws just as you do yours. We are each entitled to our opinions. I think that local governments should be able to regulate guns according to the needs in the local area.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

31. The Brady Bunch and others will see it as a their golden opportunity and promptly over reach

dooming their efforts. It is an oft repeated pattern.

[Ecumenist]

5. Not everyone who owns guns and believes in the right to own them ARE NRA TYPES or RW!

My husband owns guns, is DEFINITELY NOT RW and QUIT the NRA over 12 years ago when they started to try to tell their members what to think and how to vote.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

6. So your response is.....

.....nothing should change except to treat certain murders with more importance.

Wow..

[Logical]

7. So bad police shootings should result in police losing gun rights? And do not try the....

police are trained and more responsible shit.

Many are not. And I think we have plenty of proof the police are not responsible.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

9. What....there's a right to SYG Laws?

Well gosh......then you REALLY don't need them.

Gun advocates are always blaming the professional cops who just never quite do the work of citizens like Zimmerman who is now using a law created by gun advocates to get away with murder.....but heh....let's blame the professional cops.

What a load.....

[eqfan592]

16. Actually, he's TRYING to explain his actions using the law.

He so far hasn't gotten away with anything as you implied. And the simple fact is that the SYG law does is put the job of proving guilt on the part of the state, which is exactly as it should be.

The SPD dropped the ball on the initial part of the investigation, and if Zimmerman ends up walking, THAT will be the major factor in it above all else. And besides, the simple fact is that none of us were actually there, and there were no eye witnesses. While I don't think it is even remotely likely, and until we have sufficient evidence to the contrary, Zimmerman is still innocent until proven guilty.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

34. Like I Said

It's a side show.....blame the cops rather than the law......if he walks it's because of the law. Period.

Gun advocates are always blaming the professional cops who just never quite do the work of citizens like Zimmerman who is now using a law created by gun advocates to get away with murder.....but heh....let's blame the professional cops.

[Clames]

36. Repeating yourself...

...and using the Caps Lock button for entire sentences doesn't help you make a point. Having an actual understanding of the laws and the situation would help though. Keep trying.

[Hoyt]

13. I trust the police more than gun toting Zimmermans.

[Kennah]

17. Well the Sanford PD thus far isn't in disagreement with Zimmerman

[Logical]

18. All police? Want a list of bad police shootings?

[Hoyt]

19. Yeah. While you are at it, give us a list of guns owners who fccked up.

[gejohnston]

20. it would be a shorter list,

How is your effort to get Nunn v State of Georgia overturned?

[Logical]

21. And your practical solution to that problem is what? No answer as usual I assume.

[Hoyt]

23. Start tightening gun spigot and make toting taboo if not almost illegal.

[Logical]

25. LOL....here we go.....

taboo? Since you have no idea who is carrying how are you going to shame them?

And name one state that has CC now has even CONSIDERED reversing it.

Your side has really no support anymore. Face it.

Here is some info for you to read. This is from October of 2011.

Record-Low 26% in U.S. Favor Handgun Ban
http://www.gallup.com/poll/150341/Record-Low-Favor-Handgun-Ban.aspx

[Hoyt]

27. Pre-Zimmerman/Loughner polls are obsolete.

[Logical]

28. Hoyt, this is embarrassing for you, but the Loughner shooting was 9 months before the poll was...

taken and seemed to have no impact.

You really are not paying attention.

You think Zimmerman will have any impact on public opinion when Loughner did not?

[Hoyt]

29. You have to take these things together, one incident alone won't overcome

right wing gun lobby and those who can't envision venturing into pubic unarmed.

[Logical]

30. You are wrong. But I think you know that. You basically just throw out comments with....

no facts behind them.

Use to it by now though.

[rl6214]

40. So are opinions like yours.

[rl6214]

39. But how will you get your trash removed if toting is taboo?

http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=202519001&storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&ci_sku=202519001&ci_kw=%7bkeyword%7d&kwd=%7bkeyword%7d&cm_mmc=shopping%2d%5f%2dgoogleads%2d%5f%2dpla%2d%5f%2d202519001&ci_gpa=pla

[gejohnston]

8. No,

he means that the State should have to prove a murder has been committed, instead of the individual having to prove one has not.
Homicide is not synonymous with murder.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/homicide

[fightthegoodfightnow]

10. NOT what he said

.

[eqfan592]

15. Actually, it is.

"...come out of this is that police departments around the country will treat self defense shootings with more importance and gather evidence and treat it like a crime scene. "

Seems pretty cut and dry to me. Nothing about treating one thing as more important over another as you implied.

SPD should have done a proper investigation after this incident, and really dropped the ball in a major way, and THAT is the real issue here, not the SYG law.

[Hoyt]

22. Disagree. SYG has muddied issue, and Zimmerman thought he was covered.

Lots of freepers still think he was covered. Finally, if some folks had not raised a ruckus, the SYG mindset would have let a "legal" toter get away with it.

And I'm not sure 12 jurors will convict him. There will be at least one juror who can see themselves in Zimmerman's shoes.

[gejohnston]

24. that is not what the latest information says

Lots of freepers still think he was covered.

so?

Finally, if some folks had not raised a ruckus, the SYG mindset would have let a "legal" toter get away with it.

If rich daddy had not bought his way out of a domestic violence case, the feds might have him just for having a gun.

And I'm not sure 12 jurors will convict him.

There is no doubt in my mind he will be going down.

There will be at least one juror who can see themselves in Zimmerman's shoes.

Nope. He is not going to get a fair trial. Doesn't matter if the State proves its case or not, he is going down.


according MSNBC, the police chief over ruled the cops on the scene who wanted to press charges. It is all about money and campaign finance, nothing to do with SYG.

[Hoyt]

26. You wish. Some of these right wing laws are going down too.

[shadowrider]

33. And what are you personally doing to make sure this happens?

What anti-gun group(s) do you belong to? Do you donate? Have you contacted legislators with your concerns? Have they responded affirmatively?

If you've done none of the above, you're simply a keyboard commando, nothing more, nothing less.

[AtheistCrusader]

35. No. First, start with sacking and prosecuting one judge and DA from the Zimmerman case.

That would be a good response. Also, indict Zimmerman, and let him have his day in court.

[ileus]

37. Let's hope you're right....2A freedoms should stay on the march.

Don't give them another inch........ever again.