MICHIGAN: New Law Allows Residents To Carry Tasers

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http://www.wlns.com/story/18211775/new-law-allows-residents-to-carry-stun-guns

Governor Rick Snyder has signed legislation allowing Michigan residents with concealed pistol licenses to carry a Taser as a nonlethal form of self-protection.

It was one of several measures signed into law Tuesday by Snyder. Specialized training also is required to legally carry a stun gun.

Michigan joins 43 other states that allow residents to carry stun guns under certain circumstances.

Michigan law had banned the use of stun guns since 1976, with exceptions for police and some other personnel.

Laws that cover the use and licensing of concealed handguns in Michigan also apply to stun guns or Tasers.
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The frontlash keeps whipping forward! Yeah!

[corkhead]

1. Next it will be light sabers

[HockeyMom]

2. Watch out you might have to taser the 5 year old girl down the street

just like Florida cops need to.

[DragonBorn]

13. Tool or User?

Yea because the taser made them do that, it wasn't some out of control cop.
Its the users fault not the tool.

[krispos42]

15. And pregnant women, of course.

They get all uppity and stuff.

[ManiacJoe]

3. Text of the two bills:

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2011-2012/publicact/htm/2012-PA-0122.htm
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2011-2012/publicact/htm/2012-PA-0123.htm

[Hoyt]

4. Those who rely on guns for substance, will never be satisfied with tasers, pepper spray, etc.

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It doesn't provide the same rush.

[oneshooter]

5. Are you sober? What the hell is a "taker".

"never be satisfied with takers, pepper spray, etc."


Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[Hoyt]

7. Using a cell phone with auto speller. It's not use to term "taser", sorry. Go play with your guns.

[HALO141]

16. Have you EVER posted anything that wasn't condesending

or just down right insulting?

Just curious.

[ileus]

6. Another tool for the toolbox.

[Hoyt]

8. Another "tool" alright. "Tool" of the right wing.

[ileus]

10. Safety is for everyone, it's not a R v L thing.

[bongbong]

11. Safety

Trayvon should've been carrying a taser.

I'll be watching for cases of people pulling a taser out & then getting shot by another "safety-minded" citizen.

[Glaug-Eldare]

12. What circumstances do you mean?

An attacker pulling a taser and being shot by the defender? (A successful case of defensive gun use)

A defender pulling a taser and being shot by the attacker? (An unsuccessful case of defensive taser use)

Somebody randomly pulling out a taser and being shot by a stranger? (Murder unless aggressive intent was apparent)

Or...?

[bongbong]

17. Any

The murders & killings by gun-lovers, and their gun culture, is something special to America.

[Glaug-Eldare]

18. OK...so defending yourself constitutes "murder and killing" by the "gun culture"

Does that also apply to tasers, fists, knives, bottles, or any other implement that can be used to defend yourself from an attacker? It's not like violent crime is peculiar to the USA, just ask the natives of Knife Crime Island, Brazil, Russia, etc. Then look at other states where private citizens can own handguns, like Switzerland, Finland, and France, where the rates of violent crime are far lower than ours. Violent crime is the result of a sick culture, not the presence of any particular technology. Gun ownership does not correlate with violent crime -- violent societies do. If you disarm the USA today, they're still going to be far more violent than gun-rich peaceful societies.

[jeepnstein]

14. And a poor one at that.

Tasers have their uses. I'm certified on them and know from personal experience what they will and won't do to you. Problem is you only get one shot, one chance, then you have to go hands-on with it. If you hit your target, the publicly available model gives you thirty seconds to make like Jesse Owens. The police model has a much shorter cycle, buying you only enough time to get out your handcuffs. They're really great tools if used within the manufacturer's intended parameters.

They're no substitute for a gun, though, when things get really bad.

[BiggJawn]

21. But when it puts the target into cardiac arrest...

You have all the time in the world to secure him.

Whoever came up with the idea of marketing these things as "non-lethal" ought to have his ass lit up with an issue model (not a 1/4 voltage "trainer&quot every day.

[Callisto32]

22. My legal mind wants to classify them as "less likely to be lethal."

[jeepnstein]

23. People die some times.

When you're fighting someone to get them into cuffs bad things can happen. This is especially true when they're heart rate is cranking and they've been abusing their bodies with all manners of legal and not so legal street drugs. A Taser is no more likely to kill someone than having to beat them into submission. Anyone who knows how to use one properly will tell you the same thing. It's just another tool, and a handy one at that, but not the only way to solve a problem.

[Callisto32]

24. I've got no trouble with high-voltage applied in the appropriate circumstances.

What I do have trouble with is the "non-lethal" terminology, since it can cause misconceptions in those that are just smart enough to be dangerous.

Being an attorney, I immediately look for the "DON'T HIT YOURSELF IN THE HEAD WITH THIS HAMMER11!!!!!ON1!!1E!11" solution.

[jeepnstein]

25. The proper term is "less than lethal"

That's the way we describe it in training. And yes, we do discuss at length the distinct possibility that the thing can cause death in very rare circumstances. Personally, I still think it's more humane and safer than using an impact weapon like an ASP or straight baton.

[Meiko]

9. Nothing like

the crack of a fully charged Taser early in the morning.

[BiggJawn]

20. There's a clown with a table full of them for sale...

... every month at the flea market. Along with the tinfoil fantasy swords and cheap, roughly-made "Bali-Song" rip-offs...

[BiggJawn]

19. "nonlethal"

S'Yeah, Rightttttttttt....