Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumIn Florida the "Stand Your Ground" law still enjoys strong support from voters ...
Stand Your Ground enjoys strong support, opinion poll finds
May 10, 2012|By Anthony Man, Sun Sentinel
Florida voters especially men and Republicans support the state's Stand Your Ground law, an opinion poll has found.
A Suffolk University/WSVN-Ch. 7 poll released Thursday shows 50 percent of Florida voters support the law that allows people who feel threatened in the street or most other public places to use deadly force to defend themselves. Just 32 percent oppose the law and 18 percent are undecided.
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There's a significant gender gap, with 61 percent of men supporting Stand Your Ground and 24 percent opposing the law. Women are split with 39 percent in favor and 39 percent opposed.
Republicans love Stand Your Ground and Democrats hate it, the poll found. Among Democrats, 33 percent support the law and 51 percent oppose it. Among Republicans, support is 70 percent and opposition is 12 percent.
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2012-05-10/news/fl-trayvon-stand-your-ground-poll-20120510_1_florida-voters-opinion-poll-independents-favor
The article also mentions that two committees have been formed in the Florida legislature to consider the law. The one appointed by state Sen. Chris Smith, a Democrat from Fort Lauderdale, initially favored repealing the law but now supports revising it.
ileus
(15,396 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)how many actually know what the law is and how it works compared to Duty to Retreat?
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)although my husband keeps telling me about all the women he sees at Florida gun shows. How many of these women are over 50? How many of these women are from NORTHERN states? He refuses to answer.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)What's he going to do, take a poll "what state are you from"? Most would think that is the new "what's your sign" Most people in Florida are from northern states. I took a CCW class, a redneck and I was about the only ones not from New York. (Like I said before, Citrus County is Queens/Long Island South). I'm not from the north, I'm from the west. I found zero westerners (excluding California) in Florida.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)Women want, and NEED, guns.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)you wouldn't understand. As someone from the far more civilized state of Wyoming, I do. Where I grew up, women have always owned guns to the same degree as men.
If women own guns, so what?
Oh yeah, before you complain about my state being more civilized, just look at the violent crime rates and records on race relations. We landed up in Florida for the same reason, more or less.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)I had a job in NY and quit it. Biggest mistake of my life, especially having lived in Florida before as a young, single woman. Left after 6 months then. I agree with absolutely NOTHING the state of Florida does.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)my wife wanted to be closer to her family after I got out of the Air Force. I agree with their "sunshine laws" when it comes to government transparency. I agreed with the state banning off shore drilling in the 1990s.
One of my biggest problems with the place is that they let developers and polluters run amok. The place has too many strip malls, McMansions, golf courses.
Edit to add: Yes, Wyoming is more civilized than Florida and New York. Is New York more or less civilized than Florida? Humm, New York does have better museums and I am told they actually fund schools and libraries better.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)At least make an effort to understand the place and do something constructive.
http://quinnell.us/sspb/
http://thepoliticalhurricane.com/2012/05/16/are-floridas-political-consultants-clueless/#more-2078
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)besides, I can list some pretty evil assholes from California. Issa and Jan Brewer come to mind. Then there is Tricky Dick and Ronnie Ray-gun. Hawaii, not so much.
List of cool people from Wyoming:
Nellie Tayloe Ross (Governor 1925-1927, Vice Chairman of the DNC 1928-1933, Director of US Mint 1933-1953)
Esther Hobart Morris (leader in the womens movement, appointed justice of the peace of South Pass City in 1870)
Jackson Pollock (don't know what his politics was but I like his art)
Jerry Spence
James A. Corbett (writer, human rights activist)
John Perry Barlow (are you a Greatful Dead fan?)
Just off the top of my head.
When I was at Travis AFB, this asshole was a local "talent" at KSFO hate radio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Savage_%28radio_host%29
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Biggest McCain margin of any state. "Civilized"... LOL.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)What state did GW Bush and Rick Perry fry a bunch of people? How many executions did Wyoming have during the same time? Zero. Last execution was in 1992 for a total of 25 since statehood. Five before statehood. Currently one person on death row. Murder is the only capital offense.
Tell you what, how many African American police chiefs did California or Texas have in 1966? How many prison wardens or other officials today? Both have a higher AA population per capita than Wyoming. Wyoming Dems chose Obama over Hillery.
ileus
(15,396 posts)I support any and all laws that enable the people to protect themselves.
I believe life is important enough to protect all true progressives should.
aikoaiko
(34,186 posts)provis99
(13,062 posts)after a few dozen black men shoot white men and get off on "Stand your ground" reasons...
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)in front of witnesses. If you think SYG hearing and trial system is rigged against black people, you seriously think they would have received a fair trial under Duty to Retreat?
bongbong
(5,436 posts).. of when conservative repigs, including raygun, supported gun control legislation. The Mulford Act.
It happened in California in 1967, after the Black Panthers started carrying rifles to protect themselves against cops.
repig gun-love is trumped by their hatred & fear of African Americans.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)read the history behind Presser.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)spin
(17,493 posts)that's not an insignificant number.
One reason that there are so many Republicans in Florida is the common perception that the Democratic Party favors draconian gun control. Good Democrats lose a lot of elections in Florida because of this belief. I personally know gun owners who absolutely refuse to vote for any Democrat merely because of the fear that Democrats would push for very restrictive gun laws. Even though they actually agree with many other policies that Democrats support, many have large sums of money invested in their shooting hobby and enjoy the sport. They are single issue voters and they show up at the polls to support Republicans.
If our party would simply admit that supporting restrictive gun control is a poor tactic and stop pushing unpopular laws which would make gun ownership more difficult for honest citizens, we could convince far more people to vote for Democrats in future elections.
While the NRA-ILA and other pro-gun groups paint Obama as very anti-gun, the reality is that he has been more than fair to gun owners in his first term.
Parks open to holders of concealed guns
By Stephen Dinan The Washington Times Monday, February 22, 2010
U.S. national parks will open Monday to holders of concealed firearms as a hard-fought law passed last year takes effect, but both sides expect more battles over exactly what the legislation means in practice.
The law - probably the biggest legislative achievement for conservatives in what was otherwise a year dominated by President Obamas agenda - says national parks will be governed by the same rules as the states in which they are located. That means about 370 of the countrys 392 National Park Service properties will permit visitors to carry firearms.
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Advocates of gun control were dismayed that House Democrats accepted the language and that Mr. Obama signed the bill. The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence gave Mr. Obama an F for his first year in office.
In just one year, Barack Obama has signed into law more repeals of federal gun policies than in President George W. Bushs eight years in office, the Brady Center said in its one-year report, which also noted rules that restored Amtrak passengers ability to carry firearms in checked luggage.emphasis added
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/22/national-parks-will-open-gates-to-holders-of-conce/?page=all
Obama expressed his views on gun control in an op-ed to the Arizona Star.
President Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
March 13, 2011 12:00 am President Barack Obama Special To The Arizona Daily Star
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First, we should begin by enforcing laws that are already on the books. The National Instant Criminal Background Check System is the filter that's supposed to stop the wrong people from getting their hands on a gun. Bipartisan legislation four years ago was supposed to strengthen this system, but it hasn't been properly implemented. It relies on data supplied by states - but that data is often incomplete and inadequate. We must do better.
Second, we should in fact reward the states that provide the best data - and therefore do the most to protect our citizens.
Third, we should make the system faster and nimbler. We should provide an instant, accurate, comprehensive and consistent system for background checks to sellers who want to do the right thing, and make sure that criminals can't escape it.
Porous background checks are bad for police officers, for law-abiding citizens and for the sellers themselves. If we're serious about keeping guns away from someone who's made up his mind to kill, then we can't allow a situation where a responsible seller denies him a weapon at one store, but he effortlessly buys the same gun someplace else.
http://azstarnet.com/news/opinion/mailbag/president-obama-we-must-seek-agreement-on-gun-reforms/article_011e7118-8951-5206-a878-39bfbc9dc89d.html
Far more Republicans would join the Democratic Party than Democrats who would leave if the Democratic Party changed its views on gun control.
There has been a lot of attention focused on the "Strand Your Ground" law in Florida and the media at the national level as well as at the state level have definitely opposed the law. The fact that the law remains popular with voters despite all the negative attention proves that gun control is very unpopular in Florida. It's effectively a ball and chain that hampers the ability of our party to win elections and positively change our nation. Florida will be a very important state in the upcoming Presidential election.
While I believe that Obama will win reelection, it will be a tight race if the economy slows. We may need all the votes we can get. Obama can campaign on his record on the issue of gun control but it would help if other prominent politicians in the party also became less anti-gun.
Skittles
(153,298 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Illinois gave us Obama.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law#Illinois
Skittles
(153,298 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)the SCOTUS did when they stopped the recount. If all of the votes had been counted, Gore would have won Florida.
Skittles
(153,298 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)and Harris purging voters from the roles. Most Floridians are first or second generation transplants from New York, Mass., and Connecticut, I'm guessing they were idiots there too.
Skittles
(153,298 posts)DONE HERE
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)and some BSed folks.
spin
(17,493 posts)When I decided to leave Ohio in the late 60s, it had a booming economy and the city I lived in had plenty of jobs in heavy industry and the chemical industry. Today it could politely be called economically depressed.
When I arrived in Florida I hired on with a company that built highly technical equipment for the aerospace industry. I worked for this firm for 37 years and retired at age 60 with a pension.
I've enjoyed living in the Sunshine state and have never missed shoveling snow in the winter or driving on icy roads in a blizzard. It's nice to be able to go to the beach in the frequent warm days in December and January. True we do have tropical storms here in Florida but in the 43 years that I have lived here I have never been near the truly damaging winds of a hurricane although I have been on the outskirts of a couple. I have seen a lot of tropical storms but they are usually just a fairly strong wind and a lot of rain.
Many of the people I worked with were also transplanted from northern states and I have never met one who wished to return. I remember a co-worker who grew up in Pittsburgh and he once commented that he had never realized how blue the sky could be until he moved to Florida.
I wouldn't suggest that those who decided to stay behind in the cold rust belt are idiots, but I would be willing to bet that many regret their decision to stay in their home states.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Ever notice how the antis come up with the "it's the south so they must all be good ole boys and racists? While we civilized New Yorkers don't do that."? One former New Yorker specifically comes to mind. I meant was "whatever opinions you see in Florida, they most likely brought with them from "civilization"". That was really my point. I took his post as a "those uncouth reactionaries in Florida" pot shot.
It was not a pot shot at transplants (I'm a transplant, but not from the rust belt cities. If I grew up in the part of the country, I would not want to return either. I visited Cleveland, Detroit, and Chicago) I was pointing out that most of Florida are made up of transplants from what they like to think of as "civilization" and not "inbred rednecks" clinging to I was not saying that people who moved to Florida from the Northeast (my in-laws moved here from Detroit when my wife was young) were idiots.