Police kill armed eighth-grader in Texas school

[Lint Head]

http://www.charter.net/news/read.php?rip_id=%3CD9S27OA00%40news.ap.org%3E&ps=1011

BROWNSVILLE, Texas (AP) — Police shot and killed an armed eighth-grader in his South Texas middle school hallway on Wednesday.

Brownsville police Detective J.J. Trevino said police received a call at about 8 a.m. that there was someone with a weapon at Cummings Middle School. Police found the 15-year-old student with a handgun in a hallway and shot him, Trevino said.

Shucks, the Brownsville police department saved Perry from having to execute him.

[LonePirate]

1. This kid was simply advocating the next step that follows carrying guns onto universities.

[PavePusher]

2. Yeah. Whatever. n/t

[SteveW]

8. See #7 below. nt

[AtheistCrusader]

18. Yawn.

Feeble troll is feeble.

[PavePusher]

3. 15-year old Eighth grader?

They must have changed the article, it doesn't seem to say that now. I wonder if it was accurate. If so, it might explain a lot....

[Hoyt]

11. Our love affair with guns explains a lot too. Like why a teenager with a pellet gun is dead.

Police probably didn't have much choice, but if guns weren't so prevalent and used so often in schools, the results might have been different.

Silly price we pay for allowing grown men to walk around in public with guns just because they want to.

[PavePusher]

16. No, it's the serious price a criminal plays for presenting a threat to society.

How much risk should the police be obligated to take to determine if it's a pellet gun or a real gun? Should they be required to let the criminal shoot first?

[Hoyt]

21. I said police did what they had to do. But, if there weren't so many guns, it might well have gone

down differently. For all the police knew, the teenager had taken dad's favorite toter or backup and was trained by his dad to "dodge and shoot." Or, it could have been that his "gun culture" dad might have bought him one for Christmas.

[Remmah2]

22. The problem has a root source.

Police probably didn't have much choice, but if parenting was prevalent and used at home, the results might have been different.

Silly price we pay for allowing grown men to walk out on the babies they make.

[Hoyt]

23. Do you know that happened here, or is that an assumption? I'm just asking.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

25. So suddenly assumptions are bad

Like the assumption that 2 men forcing their way into a young woman's home when they know she is alone really only want her guns.

[Union Scribe]

26. Why, are you going to sue them for using your playbook? nt

[Hoyt]

28. Appears all of you were wrong. Both parents at home. Hope you aren't that biased when you strap

your guns on before leaving home.

Just because some kid has a Hispanic sounding name, he's not necessarily a "thug."

Again, I don't think police had much choice -- but you guys did.

[Remmah2]

29. Sounds like an assumption to me.

"when you strap your guns on before leaving home"

[Hoyt]

32. Don't you think you owe an apology for your "assumption" about kid's home life?

[Remmah2]

33. You played the race card.

Irony, lots of history out there about gun control and it's racist roots.

You may want to apologize for all the stereotyping of gun owners that you've done.

You lose, (again).

[Hoyt]

36. I didn't make accusation about kid's family, you did.

[Remmah2]

39. "Just because some kid has a Hispanic sounding name, he's not necessarily a "thug." "

You said it not me.


In addition, just because a father is home, and is a sperm donor it does not mean he's present. I know many a "dad" at home who are great posers in the raising of their kids.

You're trying to turn the argument into a race issue, then you'll deny it.

[DragonBorn]

45. Wait are we not supposed to make assumptions?

Like this assumption?

"But, if there weren't so many guns, it might well have gone down differently. For all the police knew, the teenager had taken dad's favorite toter or backup and was trained by his dad to "dodge and shoot." Or, it could have been that his "gun culture" dad might have bought him one for Christmas."

Or is it only correct when you make false assumptions about the child's parents? A poster questioning if both parents are present in his home life is labeled a racist by you but in the next breath you claim that his dad is irresponsible enough to leave a firearm unsecured. With no evidence that his parents even own firearms you attempt to paint them as irresponsible manics. So assumptions are only kosher when coming from an anti gun stance?

I don't think I've ever seen something so hypocritical in such a short series of post .

[X_Digger]

47. Hoyt used to make assumptions..

.. but then he took an arrow to the knee.

[Remmah2]

30. "Our love affair with guns"

Another assumption on your part.

[Hoyt]

31. Fact.

[We_Have_A_Problem]

37. Nope - just your belief.

You seem to have a problem understanding the difference between faith and fact. Might i suggest you take the time to review the links below?

Faith: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/faith

Fact: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fact

[Remmah2]

38. I'm sure it's a fact in her mind. nt

nt

[ileus]

4. stupid don't hurt no more.

[my boy x dog]

5. They execute juveniles

In Texas now? Thanks for the update.

[SteveW]

7. Isn't it ironic that your kind of post in these fora/groups is termed a...

drive-by?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

6. Oh my! Where to start???

"...Brownsville police department saved Perry from having to execute him." - I suppose governors feel bad signing death warrants.

"Police shot and killed an armed eighth-grader..." - That's kind of a shame. Is this an indictment of police procedure or, perhaps, of these officers conduct?

Just a few underlying issues:
I didn't read any mention of that gun-free zone so I don't know if this, indeed, was one. If so, maybe the sign was broken. Still when the police arrive, failing to cooperate while engaging the same cops, is a really bad idea.

Is this an indictment of the school? No teachers, counselors or administrators noticed anything alarming!?

What about his home-life? Nothing distressing apparent to his family. Generally, kids don't get to this point without someone noticing something.


Since the OP is lacking an appropriately located icon, what point are you trying to make?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

9. ah. sheesh. another drive by post dumped into the gun group because the SoP

is so ill defined.

Police found the 15-year-old student with a handgun in a hallway and shot him, Trevino said.


makes me want to have un-rec back. there was some satisfaction in that at least.

[Hoyt]

10. Don't think police had much choice, but apparently it was a PELLET GUN.

Another tragic -- if indirect -- effect of our love affair with guns.

[Fredjust]

12. I wonder what race this kid was...

I bet if he was a white kid the trigger happy police wouldn't have shot him. For that matter, shooting to kill at a 15-year old is pretty ridiculous- don't our tax dollars pay them to take risks for our children's sake? Did they even try to talk him out of it? It sure didn't sound like it. Were they just upset at having to put down the donuts for a couple minutes? I think grandma has a lawsuit on her hands...

[PavePusher]

15. Police have no legal or moral obligation to take a bullet for anyone.

That is the raw truth.

As far as "shoot to kill", no. They are trained to "shoot to stop the threat". Sometimes the criminal dies in the process, because such a shooting is a highly stressful activity and you can't train 99.999999% of people to reliably hit a finger or pinkie-toe under such conditions.

[Hoyt]

40. Yet, you guys claim police should stand ideally by while some unknown walks down street with gun.

[oneshooter]

42. And since you don't know every policeman on the street

you should be stopped every 50yds to be checked for hidden weapons.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[We_Have_A_Problem]

43. Pretty much, yes.

If it is legal to carry openly, then it is no different than if they were walking down the street carrying a cup of coffee.

You may not appreciate that fact, but it is a fact. The police have no authority to stop you while engaged in legal behavior unless they can articulate reasonable suspicion. The legal behavior cannot itself be used as reasonable suspicion.

[PavePusher]

44. Missing just a wee bit of context, eh?

But then, you love to conflate the lawful with the criminal, don't you?

[DragonBorn]

46. Weak Strawman, one thing has nothing to do with another

This was a child, not an adult for one. In a school, brandishing what looks to be a real firearm who refused to put it down after being confronted and told multiple times by school officials and police based on this article.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/911-call-reveals-tense-moments-school-shooting-15299265

There is nothing remotely similar to this instance and a open carrier or concealed carrier walking down the street.

[my boy x dog]

48. "Ideally", yes the police should "stand by"

Why wouldn't they?

"Yet, you guys claim police should stand ideally by while some unknown walks down street with gun."

I think you meant "idly", but it works either way.

I understand, though, this zinger was so brilliant that no time needed to be taken for proofreading. [/sarcasm]

[ileus]

13. orange barrels save lives.

[Remmah2]

35. Actually the Harvard educated PhD thugs in NYC have been painting their real gun barrels orange.

Some kids have been painting their airsoft orange tips black.

Stupidity has reached warp speed.

[We_Have_A_Problem]

41. Warp speed?

I would say ludicrous speed...

[Hoyt]

14. It sure has gotten quiet over here now that truth has come out.

I still don't fault police. But, I do find fault with the today's love of guns in our society.

[ManiacJoe]

17. Truth about what?

[Remmah2]

34. Same question?

??

[AtheistCrusader]

19. Quiet?

What the fuck do you expect? The only firearms present were brought by the police.

Pellet guns aren't firearms, and they have practical uses.

[Atypical Liberal]

24. Kids have loved violence since the beginning of time.

But, I do find fault with the today's love of guns in our society.

Face it: Kids worship violent heroes, and they have since the beginning of time. It is probably human nature and thus, barring evolution, is unlikely to change. Whether carrying a toy club, spear, sword, bow, or gun, children have always emulated the great hero warriors of their culture.

It's not the love of guns that is the issue. It's the love of violence that is the issue.

[rrneck]

27. Y'know, I have some friends

who were actual card carrying commune founding hippies. He's a practicing Buddhist and they both are about as non violent and anti gun as anyone I have ever met. We live in a town that is very liberal and the sight of anything relating to firearms is very unusual.

They have a daughter and when she was about six or seven years old I looked out the window where she was playing with her friends. They each had sticks and were sword fighting. She's in her teens now and plays the violin and is in the process of selecting which Ivy league college to attend.

People are much more complicated than your biases would lead you to believe.

[aikoaiko]

20. Sad and strange story.

Its one thing for a kid to bring a pellet to school and its quite another to not drop it when confronted by police (likely with their weapons drawn). We don't know all the details yet, but is strange and sad.

I had an old friend in HS who went berserk. We were teens and he took an ax to the high school building and was confronted by police. If it weren't for a locked metal gate separating the police from my friend, I'm sure his aggressive behavior would have led to him being shot.