University Of Colorado To Now Segregate Gun-Owning Students Into Special Gun Dorms

[Tx4obama]

Article here: http://www.mediaite.com/online/university-of-colorado-to-now-segregate-gun-owning-students-into-special-gun-dorms/

[riverbendviewgal]

1. kind of like the Saudi's making all women ciites

Unbelievable.

[gejohnston]

7. huh?

I don't see the similarity.

[Politicalboi]

2. How about no guns at school

If there any costs for this, the gun owners should pay for ALL of it, and have to have insurance on their guns.

[krispos42]

3. Yeah! Like voters should have to pay for all those ballots and workers and stuff.

[Reasonable_Argument]

5. Interesting way to increase NRA membership

You can get no cost insurance on your firearms with your NRA membership along with other provisions which pay out. I had guns in college and knew people who kept long arms in their dorm room. Never caused a problem. I enjoyed shooting on the weekends. How DARE we treat adults like adults.

[Hoyt]

23. Fuck the NRA. They work to defeat Obama and most Dems.

And, please don't give us that crud about their PAC being separate -- it's not. It's controlled by right wingers like Norquist, Bolton, North, Nugent, gun manufacturers and others who profit from guns, and worse.

[Atypical Liberal]

49. They work to defeat any politician who doesn't respect the second amendment.

And they support any politician who does.

Including Democrats.

[Hoyt]

50. Those right wing NRA board members use the NRA to promote a bunch of right wing causes.

Those right wing NRA board members use the NRA to promote a bunch of right wing causes.

[Atypical Liberal]

52. Such as?

I'm not familiar with the NRA promoting anything other than second amendment causes. Have a link?

[pnwmom]

26. College students have much higher rates of binge drinking than other young adults.

Binge drinking and easy access to guns isn't a good combination.

[gejohnston]

27. Is that a real statistic or

something some op ed writer pulled out of his or her ass after watching Animal House? It has more to do with 18 or 19 year olds being away from mom and dad in a different town or even different country with a lot of basics taken care of for them. I saw it in college and the military, but not to the degree the pundits make it out to be.
We are not talking about 18-19 year olds.

[pnwmom]

30. I don't remember the source, but it was based on research.

What they found out was that in high school, non-college bound students drank more than college bound students.
But in the young adult years, it was the reverse: people in college drank more than people who went straight to a job from high school.

And when you think about it, it makes sense. High school kids aiming for college tend to work harder than those who aren't. But young people in full time jobs probably have less opportunity for drinking than college students who can skip morning class if they end up with a hangover.

[4th law of robotics]

58. Poor people have a higher rate of drug/alcohol abuse than middle class

people.

Should they be allowed to have all the same rights as a "real" citizen?

[4th law of robotics]

57. How about "no legally owned guns used for legitimate purposes" at school

Virginia Tech was gun free.

And college campuses aren't armed fortresses with guards and metal detectors everywhere.

If someone wants to bring a gun on to campus and doesn't care about being fined for it (as I imagine most mass murderers would feel) nothing is going to stop them.

[PavePusher]

4. From the "article": "... a bunch of drunk idiots carrying handguns."

Generally, most kids living in a college dorm are too young to drink legally, so I'd say that would be by far the greater problem. And most 21-year-old students didn't live in dorms.

[petronius]

12. The article suggests that it's only for students older than 21 - perhaps that's

the age limit for a CCW in CO? It doesn't say what provision is made for students without CCW but who otherwise want to store personal firearms where they live; I hope they're not completely left out in the cold.

And now that I think about it, a 21-and-older dorm is kind of a perk in it's own right...

[PavePusher]

20. 18 to open carry, no permit required.

I wonder how they plan to handle that?

[ManiacJoe]

6. From a logistics perspective, it might make sense.

Given the low numbers of 21+ year olds normally living on campus, putting all the safes in one building makes for easier build-outs.

[petronius]

11. Yeah, I think it makes sense - it's one dorm that provides a particular amenity

(in this case safes) for those students that want it. And students that prefer - for whatever reason - not to have firearms in their living spaces can opt for a different dorm.

Pretty good solution, IMO, as long as the safes are robust and campus authorities don't treat the dorms any differently otherwise.

I'm less impressed by that columnist's 'psychic ability,' however...

[upaloopa]

8. Good reasonable restriction

I think most people would like gun carry folks to stay away from them. The right to life, liberty & the pursuit of happyness trumps gun rights.

[ManiacJoe]

10. You seem to wrongly think that the two are mutually exclusive.

[villager]

13. Some wrongly think they're indivisible.

n/t

[ManiacJoe]

14. I am not sure you read post #8 correctly.

The gun rights and the right to "life, liberty, etc" are presumed to be from two different people since they are being compared as competing interests.

[villager]

36. And sometimes -- as we see over and over again -- they are competing interests

Gun manufacturers and hoarders vs. the rest of us, etc.

[upaloopa]

15. No, you see gun carry folks add risks to the life

liberty & pursuit of happiness of other people by introducing potential death by gun violence where it didn't previously exist.

[Equate]

32. No, they don't

The majority of legal carriers are usually reasonable, level headed people. There's always the potential for death no matter what you do,
that's part of life.

[upaloopa]

35. Well, I wouldn't expect you to know

[Equate]

39. I know a hell of alot more than you give me credit for.

I honestly don't really care what you expect me to know, I know what I know and I know what I knew.

[Callisto32]

42. *blink-blink*

....

[Clames]

46. Until you can cite relevant documents to back up your claims...

...then you don't know either. You are only entitled to your opinions remember, not your own facts.

[Lizzie Poppet]

64. No they don't, actually.

They might add the perception of risk on the part of people ignorant of the statistics, but in fact legal carriers pose no such additional risk. There is an enormous body of data at this point, after decades of experience in civilian CCW permitting demonstrating no additional statistical risk factor.

That perception of risk? Well, to be blunt, I couldn't care less about the irrational fears of the uninformed.

[4th law of robotics]

59. No one right "trumps" any other right

seriously, what are they teaching kids about the constitution these days?

/also that line is in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. The Declaration is a wonderful document, but not the foundation of our legal system.

[xchrom]

9. Good. Nt

[Remmah2]

16. In the gun dorm last weekend.

Absolutely nothing happened.

[upaloopa]

18. In Aurora a few months ago

nothing happened

[Jenoch]

37. Huh?

What does what happened in Aurora have to do with what happens in the gun dorms?

[Remmah2]

40. You mean in the "gun free zone"?

Are you one of the master debaters?

[Callisto32]

43. The fuck....?

[Missycim]

44. Tell me if you slap a

no gun sign on a dorm building will a mass shooter give that building a pass?

[Trunk Monkey]

17. A little less bias in this article

http://www.krdo.com/news/UCCS-defines-concealed-carry-in-student-housing/-/417220/16166690/-/p9ds2gz/-/index.html

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - The University of Colorado Colorado Springs is defining how concealed carry will work on campus.

A ruling by the Colorado Supreme Court in March says students with state-issued concealed carry permits are allowed to have weapons on campus.

Students living on campus with permits will have to present their permits to the housing director.

Those who have permits will be allowed to live in the upper division housing area for upperclassmen.

UCCS says concealed weapons will not be allowed in housing areas designated for freshmen. Since students staying in freshmen housing are generally under the age of 21, they are not eligible for concealed carry permits.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

19. segregation. just another form of divide and conquer. wonder what group will be

segregated next . . . and what reasons will be given for it.

[Jenoch]

21. Not really a CCW issue, but

when I lived in the dorms I had a rifle and shotgun there during hunting season. Of course, this was 20+ years ago. I had ammunition too, although the guns were always cased and unloaded. The colleges in Minnesota have gun lockers for hunting guns. I'm not sure what the rules are for handguns and CCW permit holders.

[NewMoonTherian]

22. I have no problem with this.

It's a useless, silly act on the part of some dumb panicky, dangerous animals(to quote Tommy Lee Jones), but it's not harmful in any way I can see.

[Hoyt]

24. Be honest -- would anyone here want to live in same dorm with nothing but immature, unregulated, gun

yahoos? I grew up with enough of those guys.

I'd tell my son he'd be better off with a dorm full of vampires, scientific geeks, or girls. Definitely not "students" with guns.

If you do have to allow guns on campus, it might make some sense to put all the right wingers together in the Gungeon Dorm and stamp that fact on school records -- graduated "with guns."

[gejohnston]

25. Personally,

I'd tell my son he'd be better off with a dorm full of vampires, scientific geeks, or girls. Definitely not "students" with guns.

I'd leave my gun home if I could be the only guy in a dorm full of young women.

[Hoyt]

28. You are finally starting to get it.

[gejohnston]

29. Or I could keep them in a local storage

and if one of the girls is a target shooter too..............................

[Missycim]

45. Well I'd like to have both the guns and the Girls

I can multi task.

[Hoyt]

48. Multi-task? You guys really need to put those guns away for awhile.

[Missycim]

55. No I like to strap on one or 2

when I go out on a date and have a few cans of beans just to be safe.

[GreenStormCloud]

31. This is my rifle...

This my gun,
This is for shooting,
This is for fun.

[oneshooter]

56. USMC mantra

This is my RIFLE
This my gun,
This is for KILLING
This is for fun.

Repeat as needed while double timing around the Parade Ground with your RIFLE balanced on your finger tips, and a Lance following you yelling "LOUDER!! I CAN"T HEAR YOU!!!!

[Hoyt]

63. My best friend for 30+ years was in Marines, he's more opposed to guns than I.

[Trunk Monkey]

66. But you AREN'T opposed to guns, just OTHER people having them NT

[GreenStormCloud]

65. Needs only to be done one to cure a boot from calling his rifle a "gun". N/T

[oneshooter]

67. As a general rule it was the only lesson needed.

[Equate]

33. You just have a story for everything, don't ya?

There is no reason to not allow those old enough and those who have permits to be allowed to carry them on campus and not be segregated.
How do you know that they are immature and unregulated gun yahoos?
I'll bet in your past life you were a vampire slayer.

[friendly_iconoclast]

38. Hoyt is the Pat Robertson of gun control advocates- He "knows" things that no one else can discern..

[Clames]

47. Hoyt has an overly active imagination.

I think sometimes he confuses what he dreams with what he actually does. Most times in fact judging by his posts here.

[Atypical Liberal]

51. I think it would be AWESOME to be in a gun-friendly dorm!

Imagine having a dorm full of shooting buddies!

You could have reloading parties. Shooting field trips. You could probably form (and I bet they do) a Campus Recreation and Intramurals shooting team and get to spend University funds on their shooting sport.

And on top of that, you could be pretty much guaranteed there would be no mass shootings in your dorm. In fact, your dorm would almost certainly have a lower crime rate than other dorms on campus. You'd have a self-selected group of highly law-abiding people living together.

Sounds like a damn utopia to me.

[4th law of robotics]

60. I'd prefer to only be around legal gun owners and not armed robbers

if I had to choose.

[Remmah2]

41. I wonder if they'll build a range in that dorm?

Provide a facility for safe practice.

[ThoughtCriminal]

53. Don't pop a balloon in there!

[TruthAnalyzed]

54. Just out of curiosity...

Let's say you lived nearby, and decided to rob some students. Call it a Macbook fetish...

Would you choose to rob from the dorms where everyone had a gun, or the dorms where nobody had guns?

I would take no guns over guns.

[4th law of robotics]

61. It is odd that the people who claim

guns offer no deterrence usually don't put up signs in their yards advertising that they are disarmed.

They seem to proud of their stance and if it really doesn't matter . . .

[TruthAnalyzed]

62. True