19 people shot in overnight shootings across Chicago (Thursday eve/Friday morn)

[shadowrider]

Nineteen people were shot across the South and West sides from Thursday evening through early Friday morning -- 13 of them wounded over a 30-minute period, authorities say.

The overnight shootings peaked between 9:15 p.m. and 9:45 p.m. That's when eight people, many of them teens, were shot at 79th Street and Essex Avenue about 9:30 p.m.

Then two men were wounded in the Ida B. Wells / Darrow Homes complex at about 9:25 p.m., police said. The men, 27 and 33, were shot in the 600 block of East 37th Street and taken to the University of Chicago Hospitals, police said. The younger man was shot in the head and the other in the right arm, Gaines said.

Around the same time, two other men were wounded in the arms in a drive-by shooting in the 2900 block of West 39th Place in the Brighton Park neighborhood.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-shootings-chicago-violence-august-23-august-24-violence-gunfire-20120823,0,49779.story

[bushlied]

1. NOT TOYS

I have many guns since i was 12 ; Now i am going on 60 and have never had to draw or kill any one ; Some donkeys should never have a gun : I use to hunt and have seen people shot instead of the deer because people drink & underestimate the target . A lady was killed on a hunt years ago using the bathroom under a tree & a rancher was shot in the chest trying to force some hunters off his land . He died from a 308 through his chest instantly . The lady died from a 270 cal. . A friend of my brothers shot himself in the belly by grabbing a 22 by the barrel towards him , and as he yanked it discharged ; he did live though . I still go out and plink with my ar-15 & 44 magnum . Some people just do not have a brain that works correctly . So far so good for me ; So let's all be careful as possible . Happy trails !

[shadowrider]

2. Update: 13 wounded, 6 killed thursday/friday, 13 wounded 4 killed friday evening

Grand total so far (and it's only Saturday morning), 26 wounded, 10 killed.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-woman-teen-wounded-in-east-chatham-shooting-20120824,0,5211283.story

Seems to me Chicago needs to ban guns to stop the carnage. Wait, nevermind.

[Fred678]

4. how many shootings at Colorado universities?

How many shootings by students with concealed permits in Colorado colleges happened over the same time?

[shadowrider]

5. That would be none n/t

[lunasun]

35. the mayor tried a law -Overturned by SCOTUS case! &where does it go from here if u cant ban??

[DanTex]

3. I can't imagine what Chicago must of done to you, to piss you off this much, that...

...you take such delight in celebrating all of the people that are killed there by guns purchased in nearby vicinities with lax gun control laws.

[shadowrider]

6. You misunderstand DanTex, but in your argumentative way, imply I celebrate this tragedy.

On the contrary, people talk about Aurora, Wisconsin and New York. Chicago, where this takes place every single weekend, is ignored. Are you suggesting I also ignore it rather than make people aware? Push it to the back burner? Pretend it doesn't exist?

I'm trying to make people aware.

Nothing more, nothing less.

[DanTex]

7. I agree that we need tighter gun laws in areas surrounding Chicago, in order to...

...cut down on these senseless deaths. But you seem to take a particular delight in the weekly Chicago body counts.

The city with the highest homicide rate is New Orleans, followed by St Louis. Chicago has a lot of murders, but less than, say Philadelphia or Miami. You seem to have a particular grudge against Chicago. Did Chicago look at you funny?

[shadowrider]

9. Reading is fundamental. I do NOT take particular delight.

An Aurora, Wisconsin and New York happen every single weekend there. Guns are banned, they're illegal yet the shootings continue.

Maybe if we pretend they don't happen, they won't. Ignore it and they'll go away. Put my fingers in my ears and yell LA LA LA LA LA.

Doesn't change the fact it's only a secondary local story in Chicago, that's how "accepted" it's become.

[DanTex]

11. Again, I absolutely agree that we need tighter gun laws in areas surrounding Chicago.

Everyone understands that banning guns in Chicago, but allowing easy purchase of guns right outside of Chicago, is not going to be effective.

But, if you really were trying to highlight the problem of gun violence in America, you'd talk about the shootings everywhere, not just Chicago. Your obsession with Chicago is a little unsettling. Did Chicago run away with your ex?

[Fred678]

12. SO why

if guns are so easily obtained near Chicago, why aren't the murder rates in those regions as high as Chicago?

[DanTex]

15. Umm, because Chicago is a dense urban area, problems with gangs, etc.

Gun nuts never seem able to understand the concept that guns are just one factor contributing to homicide rates. Obviously, there are other factors as well.

[Union Scribe]

26. Wow. The lack of self-awareness is amazing.

"Gun nuts" are the ones ALWAYS pointing out that guns aren't the only factor in crime. Do you even blush a tiny bit when you say things you know are complete bullshit?

[rl6214]

30. Ummm, I doubt it.

[DanTex]

33. Wow! The lack of reasoning ability is jaw-dropping.

Obviously, this question:

SO why if guns are so easily obtained near Chicago, why aren't the murder rates in those regions as high as Chicago?

is written by a person who doesn't understand that the existence of other factors besides guns affecting homicide rates doesn't disprove that guns are a factor. Pro-gunners make this mistake all the time. They think that finding one instance where a high-gun area has less violence than another low-gun area disproves the link between guns and violence.

As far as I can tell, nobody on the pro-control side has ever suggested that guns are the only factor. The only time this argument is made, it is a straw argument presented by pro-gunners like our friend Fred678.

[shadowrider]

13. Explain to me please, how tighter gun laws on the law abiding will stop gangbangers

from acquiring guns. All you'd do is further disarm the already unarmed.

[DanTex]

16. Because if you make it more difficult for people to acquire guns, then less people will acquire guns

Of course, some people will be willing to go to the end of world to get guns, but most won't. It's basic economics, really. Raise the price of something and you get less buyers. That's why in places like the UK with tight gun laws, you still get a few gun murders, but far less than the US.

PS, you still haven't explained your obsession with Chicago. Why not highlight all the gun violence in New Orleans or St Louis? Did Chicago say that your father smells of elderberries?

[shadowrider]

18. You realize, gangbangers have millions. They can smuggle guns in from South and Central

America, Eastern Europe and so on. If they can smuggle in tons of pot, it's not out of the realm of possibility they could do this. You see, demand brings about supply. Enough dollars they can do anything.

Now that you want to make it extremely difficult for the law-abiding to purchase guns so they don't wind up in the hands of bad guys, how do you plan to stop the illegal smuggling of guns, I mean, since the illegal smuggling of drugs has been effectively stopped, and stuff.

[DanTex]

19. They also have millions in the UK, where there are far less illegal guns.

What matters is much money and effort and risk criminals are willing to go through to get guns. If you make them get their guns from Eastern Europe, rather than from the next county over, you will find that there will be far less guns and far less gun violence in Chicago. Like I said, some criminals will be willing to go to the end of the earth to get a gun, but most will not.

Also, not all street criminals or gang members are millionaires. Most are actually poor. You have a very cartoonish view of the world. And you are very badly in need of a lesson in basic economics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand


PS.... What's with the Chicago obsession? Why not highlight the gun violence in New Orleans or St Louis? Did Chicago tweet an embarrassing picture of you?

[hack89]

20. Why don't we simply get rid of gangs? Solve the actual problem?

quite fucking around and put these guys away for a very long time for even looking at a gun?

[TPaine7]

24. "I absolutely agree that we need tighter gun laws in areas surrounding Chicago"

That's about as legitimate as the US wanting different laws in Mexico, Afghanistan and South America to fight our drug problems in America, in other words, not at all.

Illinois should control its own laws.

You have accused me of "American exceptionalism" because I don't care what Europe thinks about our gun laws any more than they care about our opinions regarding their state churches or forbidding of holocaust denial.

Well here is real exceptionalism--pushing our laws on other sovereign states. And I oppose it. We have no right to direct the laws of other countries.

[rl6214]

29. Where did he say we needed "tighter gun laws in areas surrounding Chicago"?

You are implying in saying "I absolutely agree" that he somewhere said there need to be tighter laws.

"Your obsession with Chicago is a little unsettling."

Intentionally or unintentionally not getting the point that Chicago has an almost complete ban on firearms yet still has this huge gun problem while the other cities you listed upthread don't have a ban.

"But, if you really were trying to highlight the problem of gun violence in America, you'd talk about the shootings everywhere, not just Chicago."

No, highlighting the failure of the Chicago gun ban, but of course you knew that (or not).

[shadowrider]

31. .

[Jenoch]

25. What gun laws

do you propose that would reduce the number of shootings in Chicago?

[lunasun]

37. the mayor tried a law -Overturned by SCOTUS

When it came to gun control, Daley tried every legal avenue to uphold the city's restrictions and used his bully pulpit to rail against guns as a scourge on urban America.

[Jenoch]

38. How does that

apply to the current situation in Chicago?

[gejohnston]

8. guns purchased in nearby vicinities

One of the stupidest arguments anti gunners make, especially for Chicago. One, Illinois residents need to have a FOID to purchase a firearm or ammunition. As for going to a gun store in the next state, read the 1968 Gun Control Act.

[DanTex]

10. I guess they don't teach geography at gunner school.

Why does the fact that a gun can be transferred from one person to another, or carried from one state to another, so mind-boggling to gun nuts? It's odd, really.

[gejohnston]

14. because it violates current federal law

that is the point. Some antis seriously think I can go to a gun store or anywhere else in Arizona and legally buy one. I can't, I doubt you can either. They do cross state lines for various reasons. But they still are from Illinois, and the average crime gun is about 13 years old.
http://www.atf.gov/statistics/download/trace-data/2011/2011-trace-data-illinois.pdf

[DanTex]

17. From what I've heard, about half the crime guns in Chicago come from Illinois.

That's part of the reason that Rahm Emmanuel is pushing for the gun registry that the teabaggers are all upset about. That means about half come from out of state. Like I said, the crime guns in Chicago come from nearby areas.

[gejohnston]

21. but a registry won't do anything

Most of New York's are from New York, where they have a registry. Just as DC's crime guns are from Maryland as Virginia.

[friendly_iconoclast]

22. Won't work. Jamaica is an island with strict gun laws, and a murder rate of 41/100,000.

So far, you've blamed easy access to guns for high murder rates-unless, of course it's poverty that's causing it.

Then you blame easy access to guns in nearby locales. Jamaica doesn't have a land border with any other locales.

Looks like you and the mayor of Chicago are busily trying to make legal gun owners scapegoats for corrupt government.

Care to give an explanation why Houston, a city in non-progressive gun-friendly Texas has 1/2 the murder rate of Chicago?

[shadowrider]

23. Expect a snooty, I know better than you, type response

[Jenoch]

27. Do you really believe what you

the gangbangers are going to register their firearms should Rahm get such a law passed in Chicago?

[shadowrider]

28. You're new here, but hopefully you can see why the gungeon

gets an undeserved "bad rap" on the rest of DU. The arguments stem from posts like that.

[_Liann_]

32. NRA ACCOMPLICE TO: 19 people shot in overnight shootings across Chicago

The NRA shot those people. We need SOCIOPATH CONTROL, not gun control, but NRA blocks even that by HIRING SOCIOPATHS to run their organization and run the govt.



People did not own guns in old soviet Russia so there was no particular need to disarm the people to murder them.

Peasants too poor to feed themselves, died by the millions in famine in China did not own guns, no need to fdisarm them to kill them.

Most Germans had never owned a car in Germany when Hitler took power -- only soldiers own any guns in that country and ex-soldiers formed Hitler's Stormtrooper Brownshirts armed with Wall-Street-Provided Remington Arms. There was no need for gun control as the opposition was in concentration camps before they could fire a shot, and it was socialists who had any guns to oppose Hitler, whom you would vote to disarm the socialists.

Idi Amin: are you kidding, the opposition has spears not guns.

Pol Pot, supported by the US CIA as rebuff to North Vietnam. Nobody knows how many guns we sent them, unless a new Danial Ellsburg rises up.

Kim Jong Il armed by our pals in China who make iPads.

Castro armed by our pals in Moscow who provide pipeline gas to Europe.

Gaddafi armed by Moscow, later by our gasoline consumption dollars.

LYING is a key trait of sociopathy. Sociopath control would keep guns out of YOUR PARTICULAR HANDS. Lying is an anti-social act, as is also delivering more arms to antisocial killers.

An Apache helicopter can take off your head at 5 miles where it looks like a speck of dust to you. You can't fight corrupt govts with random arming. Even "Arab Spring" is backed by govt guns or Al Qaida guns, both of which you hate.

[shadowrider]

34. * Yawn * I have a cavity, shall I blame that on the NRA too? n/t

[friendly_iconoclast]

36. Oh, dear...

[shadowrider]

39. Update: 1 dead, 7 wounded in shootings across the city (Saturday evening)

Grand total so far, 33 wounded, 11 killed

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-5-wounded-in-shootings-across-the-city-20120825,0,7823757.story

Given the violence, it seems to me Chicago ought to make gun possession illegal. Wait, nevermind.