Harlem gun nut arrested

[jpak]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/harlem_gun_nut_arrested_0zJcckiqf84mPaVHaUcNXK

A former Wall Street analyst threatened to go on a killing spree in Harlem, but was busted with an arsenal of weapons after a family member called cops, sources said.

William Greene, 35, could have done a lot of damage with the collection of guns he kept inside the stately brownstone at 137th Street where he lived — including an AR-15 assault rifle, which is the same gun used in last July’s Colorado theater shooting.

Cops went to the home at 6:45 p.m. Friday after the tip from Greene’s kin. He soon admitted to having the guns and ammo in his possession.
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It was a sad turn of events for the fallen financial guru, who suffers from schizophrenia, a relative said.

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[glacierbay]

1. An AR-15 is not an Assault Rifle, it's a semi auto rifle

one pull of the trigger for every round fired, that being said, I'm glad that the family member turned him in and that he was apprehended before he could act on his threat.

Hopefully he'll get the mental help he needs.

[Starboard Tack]

3. It really is semantics.

Any rifle or weapon could be used to make an assault. So technically it is an assault weapon. It is not a full auto assault weapon.

[glacierbay]

5. A 2X4 is an assault weapon,

spit can be an assault weapon. The point is that when you mislabel, maybe on purpose, I don't know, then you make yourself look like an ignorant idiot, not you or the person who post the OP, but whoever wrote the article.
And no, it isn't semantics at all, one is an assault rifle and one is a semi auto weapon, there is a huge difference between the two.
Believe me, I know from personal experience.

[Starboard Tack]

12. Correct! Spit can be an assault weapon, and a deadly one at that.

The labeling is sometimes used accurately to distinguish between an full auto capable "assault rifle" and a semi-auto. And sometimes it is used to inflame the debate.

[aikoaiko]

7. You've made a compelling case that "assault weapon" is superfluous and unneeded.

I'm convinced.

[Starboard Tack]

13. Thank you.

It is a pointless term and serves only to confuse and inflame.

[4th law of robotics]

16. Then by that definition aren't hands assault weapons?

[Starboard Tack]

18. Of course. Anything used to assault another is an "assault weapon".

Of course those same hands might be used to play piano, or perform surgery or a myriad of things preferable to killing someone.

[4th law of robotics]

19. When the media starts describing any item used in an assault

as an assault weapon then I'll concede that is how the term is intended.

Of course then it would be horribly redundant and meaningless.

[jpak]

11. At 60 rpm or 600 rpm - it's still a weapon designed to assault and kill humans

yup

[slackmaster]

21. So what?

Every "hunting" rifle's design throughout history can be traced to a military pattern.

[holdencaufield]

22. My bolt action Ruger ...

... uses a bolt created for the original Mauser rifle (one of the most effective killing weapons in modern history) and a .308 round which is the civilian version of the most ubiquitous military round of the 20th Century. It uses an accessory rail specifically developed for military use by the Picatinny Army Research Facility.

It is a LOVELY rifle, perfect for hunting and has no military application.

[slackmaster]

23. An accurized one with a good scope would make a fine sniper rifle

[holdencaufield]

25. It's a carbine ...

... which is not the traditional sniper weapon. But, the deer don't seem to know the difference.

If I replaced the current 4X scout scope with something designed for longer range, I have no doubt it could be used in that capacity.

[Jenoch]

14. Not only is an AR-15

not an assault rifle, but the rifle used in Aurora, Colorado was a Smith & Wesson M&P 15.

[upaloopa]

26. That's really great to know about the AR15. Had it been a real assault weapon in Aurora

that gun nut maybe would have killed hundreds instead of only 70 some.

You really are a nut to want an AR15, a copy of a military weapon. Why not join the Marines or Army and get a real assault weapon?


Oh, I forgot, in the Marines you just don't get to make believe at some target range, you get return fire. That makes all the difference doesn't it?

How fucking macho does carrying a big black make believe assault weapon make you feel?

[gejohnston]

27. from what I understand,

most of the carnage was with the shotgun because the mall ninja magazine caused a jam within a few rounds.

[MercutioATC]

28. An AR-15 is "a copy of a military weapon" in looks only.

Functionally, it's closer to your garden-variety semiautomatic hunting rifle.

[GreenStormCloud]

30. Been there, done that. U.S. Army - 1964-1968 with a tour in Vietnam.

And I still like guns. If I had the money to burn I would buy an M1A, which is a semi-auto only clone of the M-14.

[Atypical Liberal]

31. Maybe just for target shooting?

Lots of people shoot firearms without any desire to join the Marines or the Army or some desire to feel macho.

Does one feel any less macho with firearms that aren't black?

http://jpg-expertwitness.blogspot.com/2008/10/winner-of-pink-ar.html

And before someone jumps in to pillory the source, it was just some random link Google turned up for "pink ar15". If it turns out the author is the son of Hitler or something, sorry in advance.

[glacierbay]

36. I own an AR-15 because my dept. doesn't issue one for their patrol officers

so I have to provide my own.
I did serve in the military, the Army to be specific and in combat.
What I like or don't like or what I own or don't own is not really any of your business.
Try posting w/o the insults or name calling, it really is refreshing.

[oneshooter]

38. But he is an anti, they only know how to post with insults.

It shows how good of a "Progressive Democrat", you know the big tent type, he is.

[slackmaster]

2. Calling a schizophrenic a "nut" is pure bigotry. Shame on the NY Post.

[shadowrider]

4. But it's a gun "nut", so that makes it ok, ain't you got the memo? n/t

[Tuesday Afternoon]

6. nice term for the mentally ill ---

not.

[DWC]

8. How about changing the headline to read

Harlem Schizophrenic, Doper threatened to go on a killing spree in Harlem.

The family absolutely did the right thing by bringing this to the attention of law enforcement and medical authorities. Had this been done by the family / associates of the shooters in Arizona, Colorado, and most similar incidents, those incidents may well not have occurred.

This overt attempt to relegate these individuals' intent/action to an inanimate tool is pure propagandizing at its worst.

Semper Fi,

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

9. Wrong group.

This belongs here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1151

The possession of a gun by a story subject doesn't make a news plop germaine to this group.

[MercutioATC]

10. Two firearms is now an "arsenal"?

One rifle, one pistol. That's it.

[slackmaster]

24. If the two firearms are anything other than a Ruger 10/22 and a Smith & Wesson .38 Special revolver

...then it's an arsenal.

[gejohnston]

15. Jerry Brown has more guns than he did.

Come to think of it, so does Ed Shultz
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/07/local/la-me-brown-guns-20110407
Isn't the Post owned by Murdoch and leans to the right?

[4th law of robotics]

17. Too bad some would rather mock (NUT!) the mentally ill

rather than provide care for them.

I suppose according to the OP he chose to be insane.

[ileus]

20. arsenal....killer clips....man killer mega mags...

Oh my! Death destruction blood guts and gore.

[Atypical Liberal]

29. Wow! 2 whole guns and 850 rounds of ammo! What an ARSENAL!

The article says he had a pistol and a rifle and 850 rounds of ammo.

If that's an arsenal I'm a freaking armory.

[GreenStormCloud]

32. Two guns with 850 rounds is an arsenal?

That reporter would faint in my house. Six handguns, two rifles, two shotguns and plenty of ammo. And I don't consider myself as having lots of guns, just a few.

[Warren Stupidity]

33. The appropriate reaction from the gungeoneers should have been "good".

"Glad he was arrested."

instead....

[4th law of robotics]

34. The appropriate way to present this

would not have been to use the term "gun nut" which this user uses to refer to all gun owners to refer to a dangerous schizophrenic.

Not so?

[gejohnston]

35. I believe that part was covered

but as for taking pot shots at the poor writing in a Murdoch owned tabloid, I figured you would be among the first to understand.
Now if it turns out some relative was pissed off and made a false call to the cops..........................

But since we are talking about a Murdoch tabloid, would the headline writer have chosen his words differently if the guy lived in, say, the Upper East Side instead of Harlem?

[DWC]

37. Mentally Ill Doper Threatened To Go On A Killing Spree In Harlem

Would have been a much more appropriate headline.

I am glad law enforcement and medical authorities were notified in time by his support group.

Semper Fi,