Gun Control & RKBA
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(56,582 posts)wait for it... Newtown, CT
rrneck
(17,671 posts)2naSalit
(86,765 posts)companies and the military industrial complex, that would include the violent video games production interests as well. Also known as the war machine.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)They actually disagree on several issues. NSSF is mostly worried about Federal/LEO acquisition contracts, which is where most of their money comes from.
Justin_Beach
(111 posts)the NRA gets considerable contributions from manufacturers. They may not officially "represent" them but manufacturers (and retailers) are certainly pro-NRA.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)The "NRA Business Alliance". They tried to take down NSSF as the gun manufacturers' trade association a few years ago and failed miserably, mostly because they ignored the big defense/law enforcement contract players out of deference to the (smaller but more important to them) companies that make guns for civilian use.
K Street is a weird world.
Justin_Beach
(111 posts)Blood Money: How the Gun Industry Bankrolls the NRA (from the Violence Policy Center)
http://www.vpc.org/studies/bloodmoney.pdf
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)a transplant from NYC no less, gave us a guide on critical thinking, back when they taught such quaint things in the backwoods, to never take anything any advocacy group, political party, or propaganda think tank says very seriously. In other words, VPC and the NRA are two sides of the same coin and equally as full of shit.
Which means, while I believe nothing Fox says, I don't accept everything Media Matters says either.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)since they don't always see things quite the same.
Justin_Beach
(111 posts)Blood Money: How the Gun Industry Bankrolls the NRA (from the Violence Policy Center)
http://www.vpc.org/studies/bloodmoney.pdf
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)a transplant from NYC no less, gave us a guide on critical thinking, back when they taught such quaint things in the backwoods, to never take anything any advocacy group, political party, or propaganda think tank says very seriously. In other words, VPC and the NRA are two sides of the same coin and equally as full of shit.
Which means, while I believe nothing Fox says, I don't accept everything Media Matters says either.
doc03
(35,363 posts)of firearm, who owns them or who sells them.
MightyMopar
(735 posts)TPMMuckraker
ALEC, NRA Pushed Stand Your Ground Legislation At Center Of Trayvon Martin Killing
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Ryan J. Reilly March 22, 2012, 6:00 AM 13250
"Trayvon Martin was just 10 years old when politicians in Florida passed legislation that, seven years later, is being blamed for letting his killer walk free.
Martins Feb. 26 death in a gated suburban neighborhood at the hands of a 28-year-old man is calling attention to Floridas 2005 Stand Your Ground law, which allows the use of deadly force if a person feels threatened. Gunman George Zimmerman was pursuing Martin because he thought the 17-year-old African-American teenager was suspicious and told police he was acting in self defense, though Martin had only a bag of Skittles and a can of iced tea on him when he was shot and killed a short distance from the home of his fathers girlfriend.
Florida was the first state in the country to pass such a bill, but they werent the last. And like many legislative trends, this one has its roots in the conservative American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC).
Minutes documenting a 2005 meeting from an old ALEC website provided to TPM by the Center for Media and Democracy and Common Cause show that Marion Hammer of the National Rifle Association (NRA) pitched model legislation to ALECs Criminal Justice Task Force. An old NRA update also documented the meeting. Her talk was well-received, and the task force subsequently adopted the measure unanimously, the NRA wrote in an Aug. 12, 2005 post on the NRA website."
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/03/stand_your_ground_legislation_that_may_have_let_tr.php
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)when the gilded age 2.0 starts turning into the French Revolution 2.0
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)SAF seems to be doing all of the heavy lifting. Who does Brady and VPC represent? They depend on a foundation and a couple of rich people for any funding, which mostly goes to salaries. They have no membership or grassroots.
Warpy
(111,332 posts)That is all.
They used to do good work a very long time ago. Now they're just another lobby group, buying up Republicans.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I mean, seriously, this isn't hard. NRA's dues come from gun owners. NSSF's dues come from gun manufacturers.
Warpy
(111,332 posts)It was "who does the NRA represent?"
I answered the question the OP posed.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,377 posts)So it would seem representing his right to make a fortune is high on the list.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I used to work there. (Not the NRA, just K Street -- for that matter the NRA is in Fairfax, not DC, let alone K street. But you get my point.)
The simple fact is nearly every lobby is a racket, trying to get people's money, and they will never "fix" whatever "problem" they allegedly are addressing. Why? Because then the checks would stop coming. The NRA is no different. They need gun control just like the Brady Campaign needs the NRA.
BeyondGeography
(39,377 posts)yes...
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Brady Campaign paid Paul Helmke only $243K I'm guessing the current guy makes about the same.
Clames
(2,038 posts)I'm sure they are still paying him in the $250k range.
randr
(12,414 posts)Freedom Group is controlled by Cerberus Investment, both of which have tentacles into the NRA through board placement.
Articles abound, google both for a real eye opener.
Cerberus, by the way, is the Greek mythological guard dog to the gates of hell, how appropriate.