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white cloud

(2,567 posts)
Tue May 15, 2012, 04:54 PM May 2012

Here's A Shocker: Veterans Choose Obama Over Romney

In the last two elections, veterans have voted overwhelmingly for the Republican candidate. In 2008, John McCain took 54 percent of the veteran vote, according to the Los Angeles Times. In 2004, President George W. Bush took 57 percent in his re-election bid and amid fighting two wars. ABCnoted the last two elections went Republican by 10- and 16-point margins, respectively.

So here's a surprise: The veteran vote in the 2012 election is trending toward Barack Obama. A new Reuters/Ipsos poll found that Obama would beat Mitt Romney by as much as seven percentage points in November.

The picture, from Reuters:


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/veterans-obama-over-romney-2012-5#ixzz1uyRnawon

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Here's A Shocker: Veterans Choose Obama Over Romney (Original Post) white cloud May 2012 OP
I'll never understand how any veteran could ever vote for that chicken hawk, W Siwsan May 2012 #1
He had a disability that kept him out. He had FRKS. Jackpine Radical May 2012 #4
I sent this to MFW with the following note: Jackpine Radical May 2012 #2
They're probably so pooped after multiple deployments under the GOP catbyte May 2012 #3
Deployments are why we join Andrew08 Aug 2012 #9
how would you see a pro-obama sign while deployed? WooWooWoo Aug 2012 #10
Curious Statement When Viewed by Senior Personnel MIDNITERIDER1438 Sep 2012 #15
TRUST MEANS EVERYTHING HowHasItComeToThis May 2012 #5
Now the Repukes will have to suppress the veteran vote! LongTomH May 2012 #6
Well, all they have to do is eliminate vets benefits, wait for Jackpine Radical May 2012 #8
Every veteran I talked to at the VAMC Ezlivin May 2012 #7
I'm not surprised by that at all Victor_c3 Aug 2012 #11
Thank you for telling us your story, Victor_c3... CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2012 #12
Thanks Victor_c3 Aug 2012 #13
Thanks for the service from one vet to another white cloud Aug 2012 #14

Siwsan

(26,260 posts)
1. I'll never understand how any veteran could ever vote for that chicken hawk, W
Tue May 15, 2012, 04:58 PM
May 2012

A surface view of McCain's service record, and not delving too deeply into his history is understandable. But W??? I can't believe he's not classified as AWOL.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
2. I sent this to MFW with the following note:
Tue May 15, 2012, 04:58 PM
May 2012

See? I told ya the only true patriots were the ones who stayed out of combat, like Cheney, Dubya & Rush.

catbyte

(34,377 posts)
3. They're probably so pooped after multiple deployments under the GOP
Tue May 15, 2012, 04:58 PM
May 2012

that they've finally come to their senses and realized which party truly have their best interests at heart and not empty sloganeering.

Diane
Anishinaabe in MI & mom to Leo, Sophie, Taz & Nigel, members of Dogs Against Romney, Cat Division
"We ride inside--HISS!”

 

Andrew08

(4 posts)
9. Deployments are why we join
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 08:46 AM
Aug 2012

No one becomes a Marine for the "benefits" or the meager salary. All we want from our politicians is support and limited interference, which both parties have failed on those counts. If congressmen and elected officials got the same salary and benefits as the average Marine/soldier/airman/sailor, then we would not have an issue cutting down the budget and reducing the deficit. As it is now, all Marines are faced with the added stress of whether or not they will be fired as part of government cuts, on top of the existing stress about whether or not that Afghan chow-hall worker is going to secure a weapon and open up on me as I eat my powdered eggs and bacon. And people wonder why military suicides are at record highs right now.

we are the 0.5%

and, for the record, I haven't heard or seen a single pro-Obama sign in my time deployed, except from the Afghans who want us gone so they can go back to their unsupervised power.

WooWooWoo

(454 posts)
10. how would you see a pro-obama sign while deployed?
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 05:47 AM
Aug 2012

I didn't either, but I wasn't expecting to, since I was in another country.

IMO, its all about money. The higher ups vote and encourage the younger enlisted to vote Republican so their budgets don't get cut. It doesn't matter to them if they have to deploy over and over again, or even if the war they're fighting is worth it or not. Just give them that combat pay and hazard duty pay and they're happy. Its all about the money.

MIDNITERIDER1438

(113 posts)
15. Curious Statement When Viewed by Senior Personnel
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 06:22 PM
Sep 2012

I felt much the same way early in my career. But once you've acquired a family, and other real life social responsibilities you begin to look at this differently. Therefore careerists by must needs be more realistic than thrill and experience seeking young warriors, both of which are not non-admirable qualities, but can sometimes fly in the face of the triad of God, country, and family. That order begins to change at times to what is needed.

The ability to "take" stress is not consistent with the ability to perform under stressful conditions. Anyone can "take" stress and still perform pretty much the same, but it's the after effects of traumatic events that vary on the physiology and psychological health of the recipient. Repeated traumatic events are going to take a toll on individuals regardless of their "macho" or "hardened" attitudes or level of competent training.

Suicides are caused by any manner of various pathologies, not solely derived from combat experiences or unaccustomed loneliness. We must get to the bottom of why this suicide rate is so high among our military members tout suite, not waiting for years of "qualified" quantified studies. These lives must be saved now, not simply pile up as statistics.

Sorry to "add" to your "stress" at the current moment, but we are experiencing record backlogs at the VA where patients are now waiting months just for mental health appointments, which is only adding to the toll. You'll need to ensure that you have effective preventative strategies to deal with such things as PTSD and other maladies, and I suggest you take full advantage of whatever services you have currently available to you without delay. That may mean swallowing your pride for a referral for yourself or any one of your buddies who may be exhibiting what you may even consider an inkling of a symptom (learn what they are) of psychological "stress" or suicidal thoughts while you're still on AD. The butt you save may wind up being your own.

I'm a disabled vet retiree of the Army, although not combat or military service related, it's from FDNY service comparable to police or miltary combat. I have no horse in this race except for concern for your well being, and the well being of other veterans and the less fortunate.

The current struggle is to the the current commander-in-chief in office, because 1) it's not time yet for a change of command (don't change horses in the middle of a stream), 2) the alternative would be completely disastrous for all veterans and so-called entitlement (I hate that word) participants, bar none, and 3) the neocons will send us back into another war without the prerequisite reconstitution, repair, and rest that our armed services so badly need at the moment, therefore "breaking" all our services, not just our land forces. And not to mention draining the treasury AGAIN and robbing all hope of the the American Dream even being a thought on our children's lips ever again.



Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
8. Well, all they have to do is eliminate vets benefits, wait for
Tue May 15, 2012, 08:53 PM
May 2012

more of us to become homeless, and then require that people have stable addresses in order to register to vote.

Ezlivin

(8,153 posts)
7. Every veteran I talked to at the VAMC
Tue May 15, 2012, 05:26 PM
May 2012

would vote for Obama.

Hell, even my doctors and nurses did! (And I talk to them about politics.)

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
11. I'm not surprised by that at all
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:38 PM
Aug 2012

I'm not surprised by that at all. I'd immagine that anyone who was intimately close to combat or to the aftereffects (VA employees) would all vote in favor of Obama.

I made the mistake of voting for Bush in 2000 (I was 20 years old and I came from a hardcore Republican family). When I was sitting in Iraq in 2004 while I was serving as an Infantry Platoon Leader I couldn't immagine voting for Bush or republican again. The war and my experiences really initiated a fundamental values change in me. Combat and seeing the consequences first hand really brought out a much softer and live and let live attitude in me. I realized that so much of my belief structure that (on a larger and national scale) was responsible for me being in Iraq and predicated on hate and intolerance. That is not the person I want to be or the type of society I want to raise my family in.

Has anyone has ever done a study on which way "combat" veterans generally vote versus "non-combat" veterans? (I define combat veterans and anyone, regardless of MOS, who was shot at, blown up, or intimately close to enemy fire).

War is glorious for those who've never been involved or those who are involved at a distance, but it's a completely different thing when you're being shot at, shooting and killing, and recovering the mangled bodies of the dead and dying afterwards.

As a result of my vote for Bush in 2000 I got to go spend 13 months of my life in Iraq and I now have the privaledge of dealing with pretty severe PTSD for the rest of my life. Woohoo I love being a total basket case and freak. (I hope you guys can pick up on the sarcasm there)

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,611 posts)
12. Thank you for telling us your story, Victor_c3...
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:02 PM
Aug 2012

I am truly sorry that you've been through so much horror. I hope that you will get the help you need and deserve.

Welcome to DU! You are among friends here...

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
13. Thanks
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:09 PM
Aug 2012

Thanks for the kind words.

However, I wouldn't feel sorry for me. It's a volunteer army and I volunteered, even if I didn't know what I was getting myself into. As bad as parts of the experience was, it really opened my eyes and changed a lot of my outlooks on life for the better. As rough as some parts of my life are, I'm actually a pretty positive person.

Again, thanks.

white cloud

(2,567 posts)
14. Thanks for the service from one vet to another
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 08:44 PM
Aug 2012

Glad you came to the reality and made the change for the better. Hang in there and be positive..it will show and is showing.

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