African American
Related: About this forumBest case for a subject line edit in DU history, imho
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5913516I have not alerted, hoping he/she will edit.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)and found OK by 3-4. Hopefully no one will post to it and it will sink.
That...is an excellent reason to tweak or eliminate the jury system. That was such a bad decision.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Disgusting!
steve2470
(37,457 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)Usually I don't feel this way, but THIS time, he has to.
stone space
(6,498 posts)...causes me to seriously rethink my own participation on DU.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)I'll fucking come here free, and use an ad blocker.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)He will not say boo about it other than that.
About the ads, I don't even see them anymore - my mind's eye blocks them. Cept this one, I thought was funny:
steve2470
(37,457 posts)There are some words that should NOT be spelled out on DU in subject titles, and that's one of them. If we allow EVERY word in subject titles, this place will become Stormfront Lite. Bank on it. Yea, funny ad.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)Digging up that old Skinner post shut that rubbish down good.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)I don't know if the thread starter can even go in there and edit a locked thread. Was he asked and did he refuse?
I click on that link and I see that thread subject line, in all its inglorious reality....
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Oh well. At least it will go into the archives soon. Maybe Skinner will delete it.
MADem
(135,425 posts)comments in that thread really, REALLY troubling. Progressives, I thought, were sensitive to the feelings of others. Apparently a lot of people affecting a progressive attitude are insensitive assholes.
When someone says "That offends me" why is it so difficult to find a way to accommodate those of us here who don't want to see that shit, particularly in a thread TITLE?
I'm very troubled by this "F you, the ToS means nothing, I'll say what I want, you can't censor meeeee!" attitude that has been cropping up of late. I really fear this site has been infiltrated by asshole trolls who are playing a divide and conquer game.
Oh well, if they drive me off, they'll drive me towards fundraising for Dems.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)I don't care what the trolls of DU do, I'm sticking with the Democratic Party and President Obama. So many here want the perfect to be the enemy of the good, and I sure don't agree with that.
That thread was Exhibit A in jury failure. I hope Skinner takes a good hard look at that.
Number23
(24,544 posts)but that there were a sizeable number of numbskulls within actually cheering it on.
This place is a sewer and has been for a long time.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)It's not pretty, to put it politely. BS thread should have been hidden 7-0 tout de suite.
Talk about TONE FUCKING DEAF.
Number23
(24,544 posts)A certain crew has been burning a hundred calories per day pretending that DU is where all of the smarter than thou, leftier than thous hang out and that its membership and reach were stronger than ever. This same crew has been dismayed at the multiple threads about how DUs viewership and numbers have absolutely PLUMMETED in the last few months. They've been going down consistently for the last few years but are dropping startlingly fast now.
And I'm sure it's just a coincidence that most in this crew also run, not walk, RUN to downplay racism/sexism every chance that they get. Yeah, a coincidence. Apparently they are as correct about DUs influence as they are about everything else.
That's about all the attention I'm going to give DU anymore.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)WTF, I'm a middle-aged white guy who grew up in the south, and I know for a freaking fact that the n-word spelled out in a subject line is freaking offensive to the AA community. I used to hear that word every week in the south, and back then I knew it was wrong and racist. Who cares if it was a quote, no one needs to read it.
Some long-time posters here are quite sincere, but the rest are trolls. President Obama is the best president of my lifetime, and I'm including LBJ and JFK in my lifetime.
JustAnotherGen
(31,818 posts)Thank you for seeing things as they are.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)The N-word is 100% not acceptable spelled out, in any situation.
The AA community must be respected at ALL times at DU. No exceptions whatsoever. The racists and borderline racists need to freaking go.
Quackers
(2,256 posts)So I understand if my post is removed. Here is the jury results from that post yesterday.
On Fri Dec 5, 2014, 06:55 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
"I hate niggers. That is all."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025913516
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
I don't think we should have to see hate speech on DU.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Dec 5, 2014, 07:11 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: While I understand why the OP decided to use the word in its unedited form, it has become apparent that doing so is distracting away from the original point. The use of the word is being discussed more than the police officers who used it. -Quackers
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Saw this earlier, before I'd seen the racist tweet story, but didn't put them together, and had no intention of clicking the thread, though I assumed it was not racist in intent. Poster should probably have included some kind of signal phrase to make it even clearer, like: Cops tweet: "" Even so, the word is is offensive and could be avoided, so apologies to poster if this is hidden, but I agree that DU doesn't need it.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Newsworthy issue worth discussing
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The poster is quoting a racist pig. It's an ugly word but we can't pretend it isn't used or doesn't exist.
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
smdh = shakes my damn head
I'm freaking white as snow, and I GET IT.
JustAnotherGen
(31,818 posts)And I've been trying to out my name in jury alerts too. if it was a requirement we would probably have a lot less nonsense.
Quackers
(2,256 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)And welcome to the AA Group!
Quackers
(2,256 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)with intent. Period. People are using that word in a hateful, despicable manner all over this country and in many forums. This poster tells it like it is in her life and everyone gets their underwear in a wad. How can her post be offensive? I really want to know. If she was calling black people that word and stating HER hate of black people, of course that would be inappropriate for a site such as this, but she was not doing that. Her post is a real wake up and I know the cold water shower was not appreciated by those resting in their smug warm liberalism that ignores reality of phrases and words being used openly in amerikkka today. No way I can be offended by her post or intent.
you know you're in AA, right ? You're not telling me anything I don't know.
So, we need to allow every nasty slur "in quotes" at DU ? Fuck that. I'll stop giving money when Skinner allows that. I don't need to read the n-word spelled out, I get it. I can go to Stormfront if I want to read the n-word spelled out. It's RESPECT for African-Americans. We obviously will never agree. Good day.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)to you I may misunderstand the purpose of this site, but she was making a point about what cops are really saying. You can dismiss me, not my problem, and I am not offended by the truth of people using that word as an example of the hate out there for AA's. I'm not saying as an AA, that word is not filled with hate. If the post in question is a troll trying to cause problems then I have everything backwards. I don't think I do but I hope some I deal with daily here would tell me if they think I'm wrong. Sorry if I offended you with my words.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)I am learning how to do the DU thing better. Best wishes.
JustAnotherGen
(31,818 posts)Not that much older - but old enough to remember Jim Crow. And to have experienced its sting first hand.
And that word quite a bit.
I see his point here. YOU get things that a lot of folks here don't. As does heaven.
And that thread - showed us a lot. I think some of my discomfort with it is that it can lead to . . .
Oh - you have to SAY that word to be a bigot.
We all three know that is not the truth.
Now who at DU will say - "but I've never said that word so I can't be a racist."? Someone will point that out eventually - that thread/content as a source and it's going to create one hell of a brouhaha because we KNOW a dog whistler from a blatant - even though they are one and the same.
Someone smack my head! It's coming!
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Being a white dude, I am not so good at picking up dog whistles. I am learning.
marym625
(17,997 posts)First, when it comes to this group, I don't feel like I have the right to say much (yeah, I say much but you have no idea how much I can talk ) That's because as a white woman, I can't possibly know exactly how an AA person feels or experiences.
I agree with Heaven. I almost always do. In fact, I don't think I can remember a time I haven't.
However, I do believe that the poster, after the obvious hurt and offense was shown, should have somehow changed the post. Minimally, softened the headline. Maybe used the quote in full in the body of the post.
The word is horrid. The best I can relate is the number of times I have been called something disgusting regarding my sexuality. It was even made a meme on Facebook, using my picture with Obama, and spread around in groups with hundreds of members. Still not the same but since it was so personal, I believe I can relate.
But I also think that softening it detracts from the outrageous texts between the cops. Something that shouldn't be detracted from.
However, as big as DU is, there's really only a few constant members posting and replying. So it then becomes personal and when that many are that offended, you deal with it. You don't explain it's a quote, as if that isn't understood.
My two cents
heaven05
(18,124 posts)critical thinking abilities are always appreciated by me, no matter the group. That being said, I do agree that the 'offense' taken by many has to be addressed by poster whether the poster doubles down, which I would not object to or softens the the offense taken by many with an explanation of why she felt the need to post that way, "quote" or not. Which the poster tried to do, I think, before the thread was locked down by one of the 'offended'. I think a lot of the offense taken was overblown because of 'that word' yet the real intent of post, which was admirable to me, was disregarded in the 'explosion' of outrage. I will say this though, the explosion was understood by me as a response that the offended were entitled to and could be expected, now that I have had time to think of the whole brouhaha. I do salute the poster for trying to bring a little reality to our world.
marym625
(17,997 posts)The whole thing just ended up sad.
I think that the poster did try to explain but in such a defensive manner that the meaning was lost.
Thanks Heaven.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)I support the feelings of the AA community. If it is offensive to 99.999% of you, then, I support you.
If you are ok with it spelled out in subject lines and in bodies of posts, then, I support you.
That's my bottom line. As a white male, I have no right to second-guess your feelings about that word.
I hope I am clear here. I support the AA community at DU and in the real world, 100% at all times. Your community has undergone almost unimaginable sufferings at the hands of white people, and the least I can do is support your feelings.
Again, heaven05, I am quite sorry for my reaction to your post. From all reports, you are a good man, and I should have calmed down and taken a walk, instead of reacting so strongly. My sincere apologies.
Steve
heaven05
(18,124 posts)here. Thank you for your apology that is magnanimously stated and kindly received by me.