The Right Kind Of Black People?

[JustAnotherGen]

Posted in the AfAm


I think there is a segment in America that doesn't like the affluent, rich, and wealthy black folk. But you can't say that - because it upsets them. Because even acknowledging someone might have gotten ahead of them - gets them angry.

Example at DU -

A person accused 1strong being "less black" because he's done well for himself.


Another Example -
One challenged me with - where you going if not Bernie?

Crickets when I pointed out I'd vote my financial interests.

In all of this insulated "we know what's best for you" - do they realize that redistribution of wealth nonsense might fall on deaf ears?

And we know what's best for us?

Not them.

[JustAnotherGen]

1. Waiting . . .

For the alert.

[onpatrol98]

2. Hmm...

I had a guy think I wanted his house and (wait for it) his trucking job. When I told him we couldn't afford the pay cut, I was chastised for being mean to him by other DUers.

I've got nothing against truck drivers, I have an uncle that drives a big rig. But, think of the hubris it takes for him to assume he could possibly posses anything we'd want without even knowing us.

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I think you may have a point.

[Number23]

3. This crowd also keeps trying to pretend that Cornell is some poor, persecuted soul

and must not be the "right" kind of black person because black folks still aren't lining up behind Bernie as a result of Cornell's endorsement. Never mind that Cornell has become in many ways, every bit as entitled as the forces he used to rail against and this has been something black people have been saying about Cornell FOR YEARS. His unhinged anti-Obama sentiment was just the icing on the cake.

Now we have this incredibly tepid comment (not even an endorsement) from Spike Lee and that's got the usual crowd all riled up. When Kamala Harris endorsed Hillary, these folks actually said she didn't know anything about discrimination. EVERY TIME a black person or group says something nice about Hillary, these folks slime them big time, no matter who they are.

But Spike Lee smiles and nods in Bernie's direction and it's

[betsuni]

11. Ugh, I just finished reading that Spike Lee thread.

I so admire you, 23, for dealing with posters like that annoying primate. You were very patient -- clearly human language is difficult for it to understand. Where are the throngs of white Hillary carpetbaggers hiding? Hard to hide a throng. They MUST be here, because just saying something makes it true, and it's not a lie if you believe it.

[Number23]

12. That revolting thread lead to JAG being flagged for review

and having two hidden posts. I think that's the most she's ever had. Me, I'm an old pro at hidden posts.

I can't say what I want about that thread and the people posting in it. I will say that I appreciate your comments here. Very, very much.

[betsuni]

13. I saw that and am worried.

Thanks, wish I'd comment more, but I get shy or something. I love everything you write, every single comment, I'm a huge gushy fan.

[Number23]

15. That is so sweet of you.

And I feel the same. You have made me laugh so many times.

[pnwmom]

90. Me, too. I'll read anything Number23 writes. n/t

[Anansi1171]

102. ME THREE!! - nt

[Chitown Kev]

4. I'm too lazy now to hunt down the comment at Kos

where we black Kossacks were accused of being "extremely wealthy blacks" getting in the way of all the poor and working class white folks to support Obama and the oligarchy...

OK, here's the thread

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/03/1375001/-Black-Kos-Week-In-Review

Down in the comments, there's a link to the offending comment

You realize that Obama got about 5% more (13+ / 2-)



of the white vote than Kerry, and almost all came from the low end, right?

Did better with white men than any Democrat since Carter, and better with low income white men than any Democrat since LBJ?

And all he did was make a transparently bullshit promise to try to "fix" NAFTA.

Anyone thinking poor and working class whites voting Republican are gettable is nuts. Those people are bigots.

Anyone who thinks the crowd that doesn't vote can't be swayed by populist policies is probably extremely wealthy and black, and spends most of their on-line time at a site that actively hounds out working class whites in order to better cater to its profitable affluent white collar demographic.

[JI7]

6. yes, the anger and resentment over minorites is what i have noticed for a long time

majority of white people vote republican. majority of white people voted for mccain, romney, bush etc.

but black people and other minorities voting for obama or other democrats is worse to them.

you wont see them lecture their own people the way they do with black and other minorities.

majority of black people supporting hillary makes them more angry than majority of whites supporting whatever republican idiot.

the minorites are to blame for pushing out the whites by playing "the race card" .

[Chitown Kev]

8. hell, they don't get angry

that it's a majority of white Democrats that support Clinton, so what do you expect?

[Number23]

16. DAMN you nailed it

majority of black people supporting hillary makes them more angry than majority of whites supporting whatever republican idiot.

You freaking NAILED it.

[randys1]

29. Yes, because Black people are supposed to vote for X...but wait, how did they get it in their

heads that X has to be Bernie over Hillary, or for that matter Hillary over Bernie.

This whole issue is the epitome of proof that white privilege is alive and well.

[Number23]

30. Absofuckinglutely.

This whole issue is the epitome of proof that white privilege is alive and well.

Damn right it is.

[Chitown Kev]

32. "White progressives" as a group

vetted Bernie sanders and thought that other Democratic constituencies would simply rubber-stamp their pick.

That's not the way it works.

[YoungDemCA]

42. Good point

[YoungDemCA]

41. +1000

Great post.

[JI7]

5. many so called liberals and progressives on this site showed themselves with all the "race naggers"

"race baitors" accusations of playing the "race card" etc.

the sudden interest in this forum for the primary season when they had no interest before says a lot about their concerns on these issues.

[Number23]

7. You could not have nailed that harder.

the sudden interest in this forum for the primary season when they had no interest before says a lot about their concerns on these issues.

Beyond truth there.

[bettyellen]

37. and our primate friend wandered in here recently to lecture you all about who your friends and

allies are. And how WE were using you, LOL. SO fucking transparent it blows my mind.
He is shocked that feminists here support the civil rights struggle of anyone else. Completely clueless.

[JustAnotherGen]

39. I thought that was hysterical

All of the references to it.

Funny - I seem to recall quite a few members of HOF and GLBT in here a long time ago. I also have noticed other race/ethnic minority groups in here in solidarity. Oh - and don't forget the many many members of BOG who have frequented this group. . . For years.

Funny . . .how many have found greener pastures to post at.

[bettyellen]

44. There have always been a group too bitter and entitled to truly be progressive...

They'd support us if we were "asking nicer". And they literally do not understand how very fucked up that is. Sickening.

[Number23]

45. He is nobody's friend. You know that as well as I do.

And that explains EEEEEVERYTHING.

We know who has our backs and who wants to come here to "school" us and stir the shit because we're not panting as hard as they think we should over certain individuals. Which is why these johnny come latelys have been getting nothing but this from the regular posters here:

[bettyellen]

46. They try and gaslight you guys and second guess the group and completely shocked that a woman would

Empathize. Major fail.
Did you see the horrid thread suggesting we align with fundies and sacrifice a few states where we get persecuted for the greater good? Cannot wait to see the Sanders think tank weigh in there, because their absence is pretty notable.

[Number23]

48. No I haven't. But nothing from these people surprises me

I got so many PMs about my exchange with the primate fellow and a few others in that thread. Folks are seeing so much around here and more importantly, are seeing exactly where it's coming from.

I also saw where later in that same thread, a certain fellow who is fairly universally despised in this forum for his OPEN hostility to black people and women was calling for JAG's post to be an immediate ban. What's really precious about that is this is the same guy who called a black lesbian a "token" because she condemned a bunch of comments from him and his friends that were as racist as anything you'd see on Free Republic.

Apparently not all black women here need protection, just the ones on the "right" side of an issue. Some of the crocodile tears pouring in that thread were surreal.

[bettyellen]

49. I saw all that and it gets worse. If this is trolling then Sanders supporters need to speak out now

Because this is the shit that perpetuates the idea that Sanders campaigners have very mixed feelings about Social Justice:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7204545


I'm so disgusted I don't know what to say.
I see everyone except for the more prominent BS posters repudiating the idea. We shall see if it continues to be ignored so conspicuously.

[Number23]

50. Chitown Kev and PeaceNikki speak for me in that thread. I haven't even seen that thread

but again, not even the tiniest bit surprised.

[bettyellen]

51. It got a 5-2 to keep it. Fuck GD.

We will see how silent the huge Sanders boosters here remain on that one.
Now that it's remaining I'm going to kick that piece of shit 2-3 times a day till the election. Fuck that thread.

[Number23]

52. Is the OP a Sanders supporter??

[bettyellen]

54. Well, attracting RW voters by appealing to their pocketbooks....

While not "letting wedge issues divide us" has been Sanders boilerplate philosophy. I have heard this from awesome people who are huge Sanders boosters and they honestly never worried about it because theu do trust Sanders to be a true ally for civil rights - once he's in. They think the economic issues will reach a lot of people if he "sets aside" SJW issues for now. It never occurred to them how insulting this would be. But yes, it is a discussed strategy that has been down played here, but you see it alluded to here at DU now and again.
A lot of the anger toward BLM is because they hoped to be able to downplay the issue. I explained to them it's just too huge to ignore at this time.
MOM and HRC aren't ignoring it, that's for sure!

[Number23]

56. Well, you are spot on about that

Well, attracting RW voters by appealing to their pocketbooks....
While not "letting wedge issues divide us" has been Sanders boilerplate philosophy.

This whole board needs to be flushed. The insanity here has reached psychotic proportions.

[Chitown Kev]

59. I'm on a Michigan Wolverine/Jim Harbaugh high right now (31-0!)

and I won't let that despicable thread ruin it...but yeah, disgusting...

[bettyellen]

68. Ha ha, well I don't want to bring you down then!

[greatauntoftriplets]

53. Holy hell, I hadn't seen that.

[bettyellen]

55. Unfuckingbelieveable? Is there a single big Sanders supporter saying No!!! -

Aside from Erich, who is awesome? I don't see them, but they are posting everywhere else.
Inconvenient for them?

[greatauntoftriplets]

57. I haven't seen anyone prominent speaking in opposition to the deplorable suggestion.

[bettyellen]

58. Erich has. But the most vocal leaders.... Nope.

I'd honestly love to see a few of them repudiate this bullshit. But I'm guessing they will pretend they u never saw or heard of it. Am kicking early and often.
And considering posting in GDP so they don't have plausive deniability.

[JustAnotherGen]

92. I don't always agree with Erich

But I think he's full of awesome. You can actually have an online convo with him. And though I may not agree with him point for point on everything - he really wants this country to be better than it is . . . For everyone.

[bettyellen]

94. True, even though I believe he had put me on ignore....

Misidentified as a Hillary supporter once again! Lol.

[lib87]

67. *Barf* What Did I Just Read on DU?

Sacrifice minorities, women, lgbt and the poor so you can do better? Because leaving social issues to states has worked oh so well in the past and present. What in the entire fuck?

[Number23]

71. Have I mentioned to you before how much I love your sig line??

I crack up every single time I see it.

[lib87]

81. Why Thank You!

I swear that line sums up most of the opposition to BLM.

[gollygee]

72. I knew that's where some Sanders supporters were going.

FUCK.

[bettyellen]

74. They're discussing it in the Sanders group - studiously avoiding the bigotry angle though.

I'm shocked!

[gollygee]

75. THIS is something that could make me not vote for Sanders

I've been confident that, although he doesn't talk about social justice as much as I'd like, that it is a priority for him. If I get too much of a thought that he, or people he'd bring into power, are going to throw me, and my friends who are people of color and/or LGBT, under the bus to make white straight men wealthier, I will vote vote for someone else so fast it will be stunning.

This is pissing me off so much I can't even think clearly. Level 1000

[bettyellen]

77. I'm really glad the decision will be made for me, lol. I'm working for a local candidate this year.

And always pick a congressional race or two to help out on- usually phone banking for someone out of state. There used to be so much good stuff posted that I could use to decide who, and for advocacy.
Now this place is fixated on slamming the party and focusing all its energy on expecting one person to deliver world peace on a silver platter. And the biggest reduction in troops since WW2 makes Onama a horrible murderer. I don't know if people are full of shit or dumb or both. I do know many are here to use any lame excuse to slam the party.
It's a waste of my time.

[JustAnotherGen]

91. Ahhh I missed that

He cracks me up!

[Number23]

95. He cracks up half this board. And the other half despise him. But both for the same reasons

Hypocrisy and two faced stupidity are not good looks on anyone. And that one has both in spades. Which is why his (and a few of his pals) endless campaign to gin up old and dead wounds has largely gone ignored.

Though I have absolutely no idea why they are working so hard to rekindle those old battles and declare war (again) on black DUers. Considering how utterly and thoroughly racist and deranged they all sounded back then, I'd think they'd be doing everything they could to leave that old stone right where it is.

[JustAnotherGen]

96. I know why

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They want to eject life long Democratic Party members from te Democratic Party. I've read enough from that crew to know they won't be happy until we are all wearing potato sacks, no shoes, and subsisting on gruel. Oh and nois allowed to own a home - or a second property to rent out.

Trying to gas light me or as my dad woud say - piss on my back and tell me it's raining gets you thrown into the dodo bird pile.

I take comfort in two things -

Bernie Sanders will not win the nomination.

We will have a Democratic President in 2016.

[1StrongBlackMan]

97. No, JAG you have that wrong ...

I've read enough from that crew to know they won't be happy until we are all wear potato sacks, no shoes, and subsisting on gruel. Oh and nobody is allowed to own a home - or a second property to rent out ... except for them.

[JustAnotherGen]

99. Star Wars . Refresher you have one who is wise

[leftofcool]

9. I don't understand why people think others should apologize for their wealth.

What in the name of jumping jehosephat is wrong with making and having money? How in the hell does one become "less Black" for having money? Does this mean that when I give my grand daughter money for the mall that she is less Black than her Black friends just because she has a generous grandma who really does think she should have what ever she wants?

[JustAnotherGen]

31. Me either

And Over my dead body will I allow your retirement savings to be raided.

[Starry Messenger]

10. Just saw you've been flagged for review.

Argh. I usually stay out of GDP, just saw that mess.

[JI7]

17. yup

pretty much describes what that was

"that mess"

[greatauntoftriplets]

18. She's unflagged now.

But

[Starry Messenger]

19. ikr?

[greatauntoftriplets]

20. I'll have to read that thread after I don my hip boots and wander into GD:P.

smh

[gollygee]

21. Thank goodness

Wow.

[greatauntoftriplets]

22. Seriously.

Now that I've read that thread, I need a bath.

[JustAnotherGen]

23. I thought the thread was funny

Everything about it is funny.

Every single thing.

[greatauntoftriplets]

24. I suppose that it is, in a way.

Especially when you consider the level of discourse around here today. Sorry about your hides, though.

[JustAnotherGen]

25. I'm proud of those hides

All I did was tell the truth.

If they want me to lie - then they need to point blank say - justanothergen we want you to lie.

I'm changing my sig line.

[greatauntoftriplets]

26. Yes, you did tell the truth.

Sadly, some don't like to hear it. Strange days.

[JustAnotherGen]

27. New sig line!

Which Lie Did I Tell?

[greatauntoftriplets]

28. Love it!

[Tarheel_Dem]

33. "I usually stay out of GDP, just saw that mess." Ditto. I've told my friends to trash that forum.

That entire forum is nothing more than bait, and lots of good DU'ers have been hooked. If the board is 90%+ BS supporters, it only stands to reason that they control the dialogue in that forum, and who gets to contribute. They may as well rename the site Bernie Underground.

[Chitown Kev]

34. My cousin, Scorpio, warned me about those people in GDP, lol

and I do take a bit too much of the bait...but they can't stand it when I post facts and links.

The general political discussions over in GD are much, much better, though.

[Tarheel_Dem]

36. You are a welcome addition to this group. I love your "facts and links". Hard to argue with you...

so you're certainly in jeopardy. Be careful out there.

[Starry Messenger]

35. It's very regrettable.

I spend most of my reading time on DU in here. GDP has started to spill out into the other forums, and they are getting dull with the same slogans over and over.

[Number23]

47. The latest GDP schtick is the "concern" that the AA forum has white hosts. I shit you not

Though I'm sure you won't be the tiniest, slightest bit surprised when you see where this terrible, terrible "concern" is coming from.

[JustAnotherGen]

63. That is a narrow minded thought process

Why can't we have white hosts? That doesn't seem fair to me.

[Number23]

69. Do you think that anyone who has the vaguest idea of what it GENUINELY means to be a liberal

a progressive or a decent, non-racist human being would have a problem with white hosts in the AA forum?

[JustAnotherGen]

70. Nope

I sure don't.

[Number23]

73. Me either. In fact, I think the fact that we have so many white people who are friends of this forum

is the very definition of PROGRESS. I would expect nothing less from a DEMOCRATIC web site. The fact that anyone would be weirded out that the AA forum has white hosts or that the gay forum has straight hosts or that the feminist forum has male hosts says everything you could ever need to know about them. And I mean that in all honesty.

I can easily think of a few more white/non-black people that would be awesome hosts of AA. Spazito immediately comes to mind. Steve, Gormy Cuss, Behind the Aegis, J17 and a whole bunch of others too.

[JustAnotherGen]

76. Yes to all!

[Number23]

79. MADem too! And bettyellen and gwheezie and too many others to name

[Starry Messenger]

78. I was gone for a couple of days and missed the excitement.

You know, it's pretty hypocritical of some to complain when the constant alert stalking decimated the active AA DUer posters.

It's also kind of peculiar that people who claim that they don't see race when posting on DU suddenly give a shit about the racial composition of the hosting in the AA group.

Did anyone complain like this because LGBT has some straight hosts? No. We're here to help with forum housekeeping in a group that suddenly got tons of scrutiny. (The group here is actually one of the most chill in terms of warning and blocking people, contrary to those who seem to think this is a restrictive atmosphere.)

[Number23]

80. I made that same point.

it's pretty hypocritical of some to complain when the constant alert stalking decimated the active AA DUer posters.

We lost THREE black hosts. Blue_tires, 1SBM and bravenak because of their transparency pages. And now all of a sudden its some major conspiracy that there are only three black hosts of the AA forum and there are three white ones.

But like I said in that thread to that person, it says so much more about them that they find this interesting than it does about who hosts out group.

That whole damn thread was surreal. One person screaming because a black poster WASN'T blocked from AA (although I don't believe that the black poster in question has found his way to the forum that the person screaming was clearly advocating for, which is hilarious and not at all surprising), another who is only able to post 5 times a year due to his/her ever blaring transparency page trying to tell somebody about respect and "responsibility," and this individual just concerned as all hell about the racial makeup of our hosts. Surreal.

[JustAnotherGen]

82. Yikes I missed that

Up wit bronchitis - yaaaaay me! Can't through the coughing fit.

The reality is - there are other places than DU with the right kind of people for me - where I don't have to tolerate nonsense. Their race, religion, sexuality, is of no concern - they just have the right kind of values. . . For me.

[zappaman]

86. Seems like a very "simian" point of view.

But not unexpected.
Little boys like to play concerned.

[Number23]

87. It most certainly is. And they (because it was more than one ever so "concerned" with the goings

on in this group) couldn't be more transparent or laughably idiotic.

[gollygee]

38. I generally stay out of there too

until I see something here about GDP, then I look in there but regret it pretty quickly. It's just a bunch of people flinging poo this way and that. Is there no other way to talk about your chosen candidate's opponent?

I can't wait until primary season is over. I hope Sanders wins, but regardless at least we can all be (at least relatively) on the same page again.

[YoungDemCA]

40. Seems to me like the mirror image of Republicans who say that wealthy, successful black people...

...are the "good ones." (Especially those who vote Republican). But for every white person who holds a black person who has done well for themselves up as a "model minority", there are plenty of jealous, resentful white people who don't want to admit that a black person can be more successful than them.

Black people can't win, regardless of how much money they may make.

[Glassunion]

43. It's been a while since I've had similar experiences as 1SBM

A long while. It does tend to stick out and remain with you. Blackness, has zero to do with class. It makes no sense, and I frankly find it disgusting.

One poster (PPR'ed a while ago) who was here for quite some time, went to far as to even doubt to the point of demanding proof of my race. Now I've not read all of the thousands of posts here on DU, but I'd be willing to wager that not one poster has ever demanded proof of whiteness here.

I get it we all have our own ideas, hopes, and aspirations. But when we don't fall in line and do what's expected of us, why would our basic biology be brought into question. It's demeaning.

[Number23]

85. Awesomely, perfectly well said.

One poster (PPR'ed a while ago) who was here for quite some time, went to far as to even doubt to the point of demanding proof of my race. Now I've not read all of the thousands of posts here on DU, but I'd be willing to wager that not one poster has ever demanded proof of whiteness here.

I think this has happened to most of the black posters here, especially the ones that post opinions in line within the "mainstream" of black thought on issues. Our ethnicity is doubted completely or we're told that we are "not representative" of black people because we're not poor. And it seems as though the more closely what we're saying meshes with what the majority of black people are saying "out there", the MORE our blackness is questioned here.

And what's truly amazing about that is I'm sure that the people saying this idiocy have no idea how bewildering, racist and as you said demeaning this type of shit is and would swear up and down when called on it that people were just being "too sensitive" or "race baiting."

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

60. If you're someone who, in general, doesn't like affluent, wealthy,

and rich folks, you're not going to like them any better just because they happen to be black.

I'd be thrilled if EVERYONE voted their financial interests. Because the one percenter types would be heavily outvoted. I don't expect anyone in the one percent to vote against their own financial interests. There will be a few, sure, but I don't expect many. But there will be a hell of a lot of bottom 50%ers who vote against their own financial interests, and that's just plain sad.

[Truprogressive85]

61. I know whats good for myslef

I'm just Black Male
I don't drive a Volvo - I drive a beat up Japaneses car with high mileage
I don't make over 40,000
I would love to go to Grad school but cant afford to
Working night shifts to making ends
A recent college with $44,000 in debt


Everyone has the right to choose who they want to vote for and HRC is not mines

[JustAnotherGen]

62. They are fine with you

So you will do well here.

[Truprogressive85]

65. Just my opinion and my choice

I would choose any but Clinton for the nominee
but Sen.Sanders is my 1st choice.

God (himself/herslef) would have to open the heavens up and strike me before I vote for Clinton

[JustAnotherGen]

66. I'm supporting O'Malley so you aren't offending me

Clinton next.

Biden.

Webb.

Chafee.

Sanders.

[blm]

64. There's some weird stuff going around DU these days.

Some days this place is unrecognizable to me.

[LWolf]

83. Yes.

There's also a segment of white America that is only okay with middle class, educated black people who manage to sound like, live like, "fit" white American culture.

I'm white, and I'm surrounded by that segment, as well as those that, above or below board, are simply racist at their core. It's the second group, I think, that fits your description.

I don't fit either of those groups. I'm not sure how you would categorize me, because I don't really know myself. I know I don't think I "know what's best" for black Americans, except that I know you're not getting it. I know that the issue is a hell of a lot bigger than a presidential primary. I know that I'm here now, and I'll be around after, regardless of primary or general election outcomes. I know that, if you want me around, I'll step up. If you don't, I won't.

[JustAnotherGen]

84. I'm going to sort of paraphrase another DUer

Re: Black Republicans days of old in a picture . . . They were "wealthy". No working class or women"

You have had perhaps more exposure to black folks than the person I paraphrased.

That person I paraphrased does not have enough knowledge of black families and their history to understand how ignorant their statement was. What they dont know -

The tremendous sacrifice to obtain that wealth.
The parents who farmed, bartered and traded to get those men to Tuskeegee or Morehouse.
The explicit instructions - you will give back, support , and protect your community. You will educate your children.
A black woman wasn't going to be in that picture anymore than a white woman.

Skip ahead to this century.

Their descendants are now Democratics.
Within their own families they sit down to dinner with the poorest and the wealthiest. The highest level of education to high school grads. Attorneys and Nurses assistants. Young Women who gave birth as teenagers out of wedlock, older women who spend money to have kids! I'm trying to give you a snapshot.

The right kind of black people is a concept for white Americans to try to find a segment they can relate with.

It doesn't exist in the black community.

The holidays will come soon and people at DU will lament being the odd person out politically at Holidays, thir tea Bagger in laws, their corporatist sister . . . What few black DUers will be left here - you won't see those stories.

A beloved member of this group went down South to be with her family around Labor Day - and she got her frustration out on this board before she left. See as disappointed as she might be by some family members' behavior . . . They are family. And their story is ours. And we don't need somebody "below us" to bring us up.

There are no right kind of black people - just family.

[LWolf]

88. YES.

Just family.

That, frankly, is why I don't complain about family at holidays. They are my family. I get this.

Thank you.

[qwlauren35]

89. I know a black Republican

(and gay) who is doing well financially, doesn't buy into the "We Shall Overcome" message of white Democratic liberals, and just wants tax breaks.

I don't agree with him on much of anything, but I always keep in mind that he exists. I was especially amused when he defended Sarah Palin...

There is an overwhelming sentiment in DU that a black Republican is automatically deluded. Selling out. Not supporting "the people". Somehow ignoring the racism of the Republican party (as though there are no racists in the Democratic Party!) But when you meet an intelligent black Republican, who can comfortably argue why he has chosen that party, it gives pause for thought.

Democrats take us for granted. And if that chases some black people out of the party, the Republicans will welcome them.

I would add that many Democrats act as though we are all poor and need government assistance. If you get too sick of it, you start considering your options.

[JustAnotherGen]

93. Democrats take us for granted

MavericK PAC was a few days ago. Bush (of course because his son is a key member), Fiorina, and I *think* Erik Prince was there again. They are focused on folks under the age of 40. Those were dramatically different speeches than what is heard at the Value Voters thingy.

Why can't we do the same? Speak to different coalitions in the party in different "languages"?

The problem the Republicans have specifically with black Americans (not people of color - blacks specifically) - they stopped dancing with the ones who " brung 'em" and made their dance partner into a scapegoat. They took for granted the affluent, rich, and wealthy black vote and assumed we would go along to get along?

How's that working out for them?

I think you've posted about your family before - and our families probably crossed paths.

My dad used to say (his dad's father died when my dad was 16) - every time I vote Democratic my gradfather rolls over in his grave.

That man lived, made money, and died in Alabama - and he was always able to vote.

Once upon a time - before we were even Americans - before we had full rights of citizenship (1965) - we were Republicans. We chose equality over personal bank acvounts -and the rest is history.

[randys1]

100. Voted in Alabama you say? Not anymore, not if you are Black.

http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/09/voter_id_and_drivers_license_o.html

What this is, is a new rule in Alabama that Black people cant vote.

[1StrongBlackMan]

98. I know several Black Republicans, all accomplished and intelligent, and all ...

can rationally explain why they chose the gop ... not the least reason being, the liberal's proclivity towards believing that the only negroes are negroes to be saved from the system or themselves.

Fact is, I could name several Black DUers that would be republicans, if they (we) were to vote, solely their (our) economic interests.

[Behind the Aegis]

101. I know several from my "groups".

They too can articulate why they are Republicans.

Ain't it funny that our respective groups get raked over the coals if ONE (it only takes one) of our members strays to the other side, but the majority groups never have to answer for their people being "Repugs?" The gay couple who hosted a Cruz fundraiser were described here as "Jews first, gay second" and "they are being good Jews, but bad gays!" We are often called out by the same people who then proceed to scream about "identity politics!"

[1StrongBlackMan]

103. So true ...

Ain't it funny that our respective groups get raked over the coals if ONE (it only takes one) of our members strays to the other side, but the majority groups never have to answer for their people being "Repugs?"

And, funny, no one seems to have a problem accepting that that member of "our group" represents an outlier, wholly unrepresentative of the larger group, and, certainly, not to be held out as a trend.

But, someone in the AA Group (I think it was DUer-Onpatrol) posted a wonderful post to that effect; but, in the context of Bernie's tepid support among Black folks. They noted that Black folks' not supporting Bernie (but supporting a Democrat) is more problematic than the millions of working class whites that vote for republicans.

It was posted while I was on time out, so I doubt I'll be able to find it; but, I wanted to high-five the crap out of that post!

[Behind the Aegis]

104. I missed that comment, but it nails one of the problems!

Our voting patterns are constantly scrutinized, the two of us representing three groups, AA, gay, Jewish, all of whom are the highest percentage voters in the democratic camp! Yet, every time....every time...an election goes south, one or more of those groups gets the lion's share of the blame.

Glad to see you back. Keep your eyes open and your head low!