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Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 05:54 PM Dec 2015

Black People Not Amused By Politico Suggestion That Obama Reach Out To Whitey

(Whitey is in the article's original title, and is meant to be satirical, just a note to alerters.)


http://thedailybanter.com/2015/12/black-people-not-amused-by-politico-suggestion-that-obama-reach-out-to-whitey/



There’s nothing like a molten hot take to warm up the icy news tundra of Christmas week, and so it is that Politico Magazine has stepped in to fill the void with a column suggesting that President Obama travel the country silently being spat on by racists in order to counter Donald Trump‘s Starkiller Base of white resentment. Lest you think I’m exaggerating, here is a little sample of Issac Bailey‘s well-intentioned but misguided column:

He shouldn’t say much at all. He should go primarily to listen, even if it means he has to endure being called nasty names to his face or risk being spat on. Because when you cut through the political rhetoric and fearmongering and empty, overheated debates, that’s the one thing people in those communities believe they haven’t received and want most—to be heard.

There’s a lot more to the piece (which you should read in full before judging) than that, but it doesn’t get much better than its headline – Why Obama Must Reach Out to Angry Whites.

<snip>


There is a widely-held political misunderstanding about White America that fuels this kind of thinking. There are actually three White Americas: the Trump America that’s either balls-out racist or feels “understandable” resentment, the “Reagan Democrats” who recognize racial injustice but can be persuaded to ignore it in their own self-interest, and liberal White America, who will keep racial justice somewhere on the menu, depending on whatever else they’ve got going at the time. Only two of those White Americas are reachable, and Trump America ain’t one of them

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Black People Not Amused By Politico Suggestion That Obama Reach Out To Whitey (Original Post) Starry Messenger Dec 2015 OP
Most excellent essay ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #1
I know, right? Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #3
Because white folks neeed to be reassured, and everybody knows ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #4
I love his Three White Americas comment: Number23 Dec 2015 #6
I know ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #9
If I had a cigar. randys1 Dec 2015 #19
It is sad. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #7
LOL ... "Might have a problem in the racism department" ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #10
Not without a stiff drink, one hopes! Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #11
Or, a well developed sense of humor! ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #12
He was hilarious on Bear Grylls. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #13
No ... I didn't see it ... But I will watch it in a few. eom 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #14
Saw it, awesome and funny and attention to climate change. randys1 Dec 2015 #20
It was great. They should show it in classrooms. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #21
Can you remember a time when a POTUS was so singularly reviled that he is verbotten in many... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2015 #28
I agree. I was thinking as I posted that, in many Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #29
I highly recommend reading the underlying Bailey essay, as well ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #2
Yeah, because those folks have always been so receptive to the guy and treated him with such honesty Number23 Dec 2015 #5
Bailey was a republican until recently: Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #8
"Bailey was a republican until recently" Number23 Dec 2015 #23
damned right DonCoquixote Dec 2015 #15
^^^ Yes, this ^^^ ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #16
Peoples Republic of China DonCoquixote Dec 2015 #17
Ahhh. The People's Republican of China ... I should have made the connection! ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #18
thank you, and DonCoquixote Dec 2015 #22
I got 404 not found DonCoquixote Dec 2015 #24
Somehow a comma got added to the end 1SBM's link. Here you go: emulatorloo Dec 2015 #27
thank you DonCoquixote Dec 2015 #34
There is so DAMN MUCH truth in this post Number23 Dec 2015 #25
So does this mean President Obama should underthematrix Dec 2015 #26
PBO is so much more tolerant and long suffering than me. I would've told them, in the most polite.. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2015 #30
I would have enjoyed being a fly on the wall Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #31
I think I know exactly how FLOTUS felt about it, the same as me. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2015 #32
Love that gif!! Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #33
Such a funny shot in time! Cha Dec 2015 #35
So good. betsuni Dec 2015 #36
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
1. Most excellent essay ...
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 06:30 PM
Dec 2015

I particularly liked the:

Yes, and maybe he can open his mouth up wide and let all of the racism fly into him, then die.


the Green Mile reference.

Thank you for posting that.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
3. I know, right?
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 06:43 PM
Dec 2015

The President has done all that one man can do anyway. I look at how gray his hair has gone, and wonder why anyone would ask him to try to placate Trump supporters too.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
4. Because white folks neeed to be reassured, and everybody knows ...
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 07:01 PM
Dec 2015

that's a job for Super Negro! ... Just like it was Mammy's job before that!

Number23

(24,544 posts)
6. I love his Three White Americas comment:
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 07:11 PM
Dec 2015
There are actually three White Americas: the Trump America that’s either balls-out racist or feels “understandable” resentment, the “Reagan Democrats” who recognize racial injustice but can be persuaded to ignore it in their own self-interest, and liberal White America, who will keep racial justice somewhere on the menu, depending on whatever else they’ve got going at the time. Only two of those White Americas are reachable, and Trump America ain’t one of them.


Yep and yep.
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
9. I know ...
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 07:32 PM
Dec 2015

and, notice, NONE of white America gives a shit about anything, unless it serves their benefit.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
19. If I had a cigar.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:09 PM
Dec 2015

I dont know if this fits here but I watched a docu on NETFLIX that shocked me, stunned me, and made me binge watch all ten episodes the way I did Breaking Bad, it is THAT good.

"Making A Murderer" (IMDB gives it a 9.4 out of 10, it is THAT good)

My son and I are watching it together over the holiday, about a Wisconsin man wrongly accused of murder, him and his then 16 yr old nephew.

Both are borderline mentally disabled given they have IQ's of 72 or something like that.

Both of these guys are probably what we would call the epitome of low classed white folks, there is a phrase used but I wont use it.

Dumb, probably vote republican if they ever vote, etc. You know the type.

Yet I am outraged and I mean OUTRAGED at the injustice they have received.

Watch it if you can...My point about it in relation to this would be white America wont give two shits about these two white guys, it was white America or white WI that put them away with MALICE.

As a progressive white person, I am wondering if what I saw, the outrageous railroading these two received, if it is just SOB for Black people anywhere, probably.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
7. It is sad.
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 07:20 PM
Dec 2015

I think the article that spawned the one in the op originated with Obama subtly suggesting tecently that some white voters miiiiiight just have a little problem in the racism department, which then blew up the Internet and conservative news.



Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
21. It was great. They should show it in classrooms.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:17 PM
Dec 2015

The discussion of the glacier receding was very stark.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,241 posts)
28. Can you remember a time when a POTUS was so singularly reviled that he is verbotten in many...
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:54 PM
Dec 2015

classrooms in the country he leads on the global stage? I was fascinated to learn recently that many classrooms in China actually study this POTUS, especially his 2008 road to the White House. Many English learning students chose his acceptance speech for their finals. It just baffles me.

I'm convinced that this President won't be fully appreciated until he's been out of office for a term or two.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
29. I agree. I was thinking as I posted that, in many
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:04 PM
Dec 2015

schools that would rip the district apart in controversy, to suggest showing the President's special on Running Wild on nature and the climate. I'm pretty sure that if one of my teachers had shown something with Ford, Carter, or Reagan talking about the great outdoors, no one would have batted an eye.

It made me very sad. Look at how excited Bear was to meet the President. Kids should have more of a chance to see things like this.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
2. I highly recommend reading the underlying Bailey essay, as well ...
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 06:42 PM
Dec 2015

if for no other reason, than to see how, even some Black folks think it is on Black folks to (as a DUer observed in the AA Group) shoulder the burden of racial comity.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
5. Yeah, because those folks have always been so receptive to the guy and treated him with such honesty
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 07:03 PM
Dec 2015

and respect!

And the guy who wrote that idiocy is apparently black too. I won't type what I'm thinking. Black Twitter is eating his ass up. Good.

This is why the "oligarchs are the reeeeeeal EEEEEEVIL in this world!!1one" crap falls on the ears of the clueless. The worst racists, the people who have burned black folks out of their homes, kept their children from their schools, denied them jobs have not been the faceless "oligarchs." They have represented the full spectrum of white Americans.

And -- stupidly!!! -- the author of that BS actually touches on that but somehow feels that Obama or anybody other than these hate filled people can change that. Downtrodden white people would have the undying sympathy of every person of color in the world if so many of them, in their privileged resentment, didn't turn on us before they turn on everybody else.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
8. Bailey was a republican until recently:
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 07:31 PM
Dec 2015
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/11/black-republican-voter-quits-gpo-213326

(He's still got some stuff to work out, even though he's apparently voting differently now. That's why I've never been fond of Politico, they are more conservative but like to troll with it.)

I agree, plus who keeps voting for the "oligarchs?" Plus look at local elections: is Kim Davis an oligarch? No, she's a bigot who taps into supremacist resentment. People voted both for her, and on the strength of feeling sorry for her, voted in a new conservative Gov. of Kentucky. The "people need reassurance" canard falls rather flat when they can easily exercise political power.

And the President is supposed to tour into that hot mess and listen to their "pain." Please.


Number23

(24,544 posts)
23. "Bailey was a republican until recently"
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:27 PM
Dec 2015

Color me super, dooper surprised.

Thanks for that link, Starry. Just when it seemed like Sir Issac had regained his senses (to a point), he pens the "Obama should do a Hatemobile tour" mess. Though it does seem that he's got some serious rose colored glasses on when it comes to the GOP:

Even when Republicans cozied up to the likes of Southern senators Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms, and grew hostile to the kind of civil rights progress the party had once championed, I was never convinced that black voters should only be Democratic. Some of the party’s deepest commitments—family values, religious faith, fiscal responsibility—resonate strongly with the black community. And the GOP’s embrace of figures like Colin Powell, along with Bush’s diverse Cabinet and strong outreach to African nations, were enough to keep me in the fold. While imperfect when it came to race, Republicans seemed to care about handling that issue with care and sensitivity.

That GOP no longer exists. During the Obama era, the Republican Party has morphed into something I couldn’t feel comfortable being associated with. Conservative opposition to this president has not felt like politics as usual. I’ve watched relative moderates like Graham walk in lock-step with an all-out, seemingly monolithic opposition campaign against Obama and his policies—as our country was fighting two ground wars, the economy was in freefall and millions of people went without basic health care. I don’t know if that hyper level of opposition in a time of national crisis always had to do with race. I do know it showed the depths to which the party would go to hate Obama.


So basically he's saying "I was willing to overlook the blatant, beyond obvious racism of the 60s and the warmongering idiocy of the Bush years so that I could stay a Republican but these people are so out of control now I can't stay even though Republicans have been the party of hate for decades and their behavior under Obama is nothing compared to how they've acted before, peaking with the 8 years of solid, non-stop hate under Reagan."

Actually those glasses weren't rose colored, they must have been jet-black and made of lead to justify such blindness.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
15. damned right
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 08:40 PM
Dec 2015

When Obama reached out to those who hated him, not only did he get hated on by them, but even our beloved left began to dogpile on him as some sort of fake black person (as ifwhites like Ted Rall and Ralph Nader were somehow in a position to judge if Obama could be called black.) IMHO, when the Bernie supporters started yelling at BLM and wondering "why don't you people understand!" a lot of Afro Americans remembered the way many on the LEFT also fired at Obama because he was not THEIR version of what a Black president should be!

While I myself wish Obama was more of a leftist, I would say humbly, at this point, he owes people NOTHING. In terms of practical results, long lasting results, like Gay Marriage, increased access to Medical care, and killing Osama Ben Ladin, he has gotten results that will NOT be washed away by history. Yes, he dragged his feet on some, but after that foot dragging, he got up and walked, which is something a hell of a lot of so called "liberals" never did. He had to deal with attacks on all sides, including especially from the DINOS who often get lauded right here on this page (such as Reid, Pelosi, Landrieu et al )

The sad fact is, even after the whites finally are no longer the numerical majority, many of them will still expect to be the favored children, the ones that get everything they want for xmas and the biggest slice of cake. Want Proof?, see the way many people recoil at immigration, both of Syrians (whose country we helped ruin thanks to our then sec of state declaring "Assad must go&quot to Mexicans (those whose country we cut in half and took the part that had all the gold.) After we get used up, the best place for many of these fools to call will be the call centers in China, which is, after all, where they allowed the wealth of the nations to be moved to. The true equality will be the the PRC will hate and have contempt for both black and white Americans.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
17. Peoples Republic of China
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 12:54 PM
Dec 2015

I use that term to separate them from the many people who consider themselves Chinese, but want NOTHING to do with the crazy crap going on in Beijing.

And yes, I did think of you when I made my comment about Bernie and those who still did not wipe Obama's blood of their hands.

PS: if you want to see the stuff Ted Rall wrote about him, or Nader, you can look, but allow me to put up in red screaming neon "trigger warning!" It is one thing for self described "left" writers to criticize minorities. Heck, if I cannot take criticism, that means I let my jaw get soft. Ted took it one step further and started to lecture people on why Obama was not black.

I may not look "Hispanic" but I sure learned one thing the hard way; to some bigots, any hint of brown is more than enough to spill some red. Obama may not "act" like white people's expectations (or Cornell Wests) of what an African American should be, but we all know that if the Dylan Roofs of the world got a shot at him, they would take it, and many self appointed champions of the left would get right on the internet and pen a variant of "he deserved it."

So to restate my point to some readers, and to those the OP highlights, you slammed Obama because he was being too hard on whites. You slammed because because he was being too soft. You slammed him because he supposedly had no candor, yet every time he tried to be honest, you slammed him. I remember full well when Obama got slammed for this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html

and yet, all these years afterword, is not what Obama said about the people he ticked off so much more true? The same people that got so ticked are the same people that have been defending anyone who shoots a black kid for the better part of a year, with no end in sight. The rest of the world, and especially the non whites in America (we who WILL become the majority) do not hate whites, but we are getting really tired of having to cater to their anger, fear, and yes, to quote to paraphrase Obama, bitterness, especially because extending a hand in solidarity is likely to get a gun drawn on us.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
18. Ahhh. The People's Republican of China ... I should have made the connection! ...
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:34 PM
Dec 2015
Ted took it one step further and started to lecture people on why Obama was not black.


And many of the "left" seem incapable of understanding how offensive that is ... even as they shroud themselves in the paraphrased and reiterated the words of other Black folks, in order to give ... thinking it gives validity to the claim (yes, you Dr. West ... and by the way, I'm looking at you, too, Thomas Sowell and Michael Steele, - though you two are huddling with the gop).

The rest of the world, and especially the non whites in America (we who WILL become the majority) do not hate whites, but we are getting really tired of having to cater to their anger, fear, and yes, to quote to paraphrase Obama, bitterness, especially because extending a hand in solidarity is likely to get a gun drawn on us.


^^^ This ... Just, all of this! ^^^

I don't know if you saw this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/118733431, posted in the AA Group.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
22. thank you, and
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:26 PM
Dec 2015
(yes, you Dr. West ... and by the way, I'm looking at you, too, Thomas Sowell and Michael Steele, - though you two are huddling with the gop).

You know, I take a Cornell West more seriously than the others mentioned. Sowell and Steele are flying the GOP flag. Granted, it might take a better mind than you or me to figure out why they are on that side, but at least they admit they are. West was someone who maybe did not have to like Obama, but someone who should have at the very least defended BLM, and for his trouble, got Bernie to outright publicly CASTIGATE the people that attacked BLM. The fact that Tamir Rice's killers got off today only adds more weight to a scale of injustice that was already imbalance.

Thank you for allowing me to bounce my ideas off yours..

Number23

(24,544 posts)
25. There is so DAMN MUCH truth in this post
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:29 PM
Dec 2015
Obama may not "act" like white people's expectations (or Cornell Wests) of what an African American should be, but we all know that if the Dylan Roofs of the world got a shot at him, they would take it, and many self appointed champions of the left would get right on the internet and pen a variant of "he deserved it."


TRUTH and nothing but. The fucking truth and nothing but.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,241 posts)
30. PBO is so much more tolerant and long suffering than me. I would've told them, in the most polite..
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:05 PM
Dec 2015

way possible, to kiss my black ass. But that's why I'm not POTUS.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
31. I would have enjoyed being a fly on the wall
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:22 PM
Dec 2015

when he heard of the Politico article. Or when FLOTUS read it...!

betsuni

(25,638 posts)
36. So good.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 05:13 AM
Dec 2015

I saw a comment somewhere that said it looks like Boner's wife is putting bread rolls into her purse for later.

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