I will need to find a place to celebrate if somehow Bernie does win.

[randys1]

I wont do it on DU, way too many people I cant stand to be associated with will be celebrating, gloating, etc.

I will celebrate with my friends off the internet and that will be enough.

I find threads here that celebrate something about Bernie but I refuse to respond to the poster, as it often is someone who has shown complete disrespect for my friends here in AfAm.

It really is an unusual situation to be in.

[Coolest Ranger]

1. If he wins

I'm done with this place. It angers me that so many think he's the answer to our country. I would say more but I don't want to risk a hide

[randys1]

2. If this were a safe place for liberals to talk, I would ask you what you mean, I will PM you

and we can discuss

[JI7]

4. i like him but i don't think he is what some try to make him out to be

I think Sanders and Clinton will be about the same.

[JI7]

3. It's going to be really ugly if Hillary wins south carolina

But loses iowa and nh. But we have already seen with blm john lewis and even trayvon Martin's mother what to expect.

I refuse to associate with certain ones.

[randys1]

5. Has a poll been done of AfAm voters as to which candidate they are picking?

You cant win a Democratic nomination for prez without the Black vote.

[steve2470]

6. last poll I remember, Bernie got 10% of the AA vote

Unless his numbers go up dramatically, he's going to lose. We can always retreat to "my project" if it gets insufferable around here.

[randys1]

7. Yeah...I dont know who to worry about more, the overt rightwingers who

are white supremacists or the passive ones.

[BlueMTexpat]

8. I sincerely believe that it is still a

very big "if" - recent polls notwithstanding.

[randys1]

9. I wonder what the AfAm vote looks like as of today, gonna go look at rcp and see

cant find it


WOW

just saw a thread using FOX news as a source, attacking Hillary

here on DU...wow

[steve2470]

10. 11% on this poll

http://www.businessinsider.com/polls-bernie-sanders-black-voters-2015-11

And among black voters, Clinton garnered 86% support to Sanders' 11%.

That was back in November, so it's probably changed by now.

[randys1]

11. Yeah, thanks, it has changed for sure. Here is the rub, lets say it is now 20% or something

To get much higher numbers which are needed, you cant insult the very people you want votes from.

Bernie doesnt do that, as far as I can tell (I am not Black, not up to me to decide), but his supporters do and his message is a bit tone deaf as to what the AfAm voters are looking for.

My point is if Bernie cant win the nomination for this reason

a. will Bernie supporters blame Black people and seek to punish them somehow?

b. will Bernie supporters still vote for Hillary

[JustAnotherGen]

15. My answers

A. Yes. We are still being blamed for Prop 8 when Elsa Prince and the Mormon Church had far more to do with that than some black person in NJ. I've got someone on ignore for a few months that I've no doubt - will be out for us.

B. Some will and some won't. Many will vote for a 3rd Party - Green, etc etc. They are for Bernie - not members of the Democratic Party.

[JI7]

18. i don't even think they are for bernie as much as hating the dem party

[JustAnotherGen]

20. I understand the frustration with the Democratic Party

I felt it first hand in NJ in 2013.

A flawless liberal.
A flawless progressive.

Flawless.

Zero support. The Democratic Partyhad convinced itself Christie would be a contender in this election. Shame on us. They propped up Christie and our property taxes surpassed the 2% threshold this year. Shame on the Democratic Party.

That said - I'm also an O'Malley supporter.

Had there been more debates . . .

[JI7]

22. this isn't that type of frustration

These are people who HATE Clintons Obama and other democrats.

They mostly post on the internet and push conspiracy theories . They have a problem with many social changes in the country and keep yearning for the good old days.

They focus more on hating democrats than in actually doing anything to s uppport the candidate they claim to support.

[JustAnotherGen]

24. I know

And everyone back here is a House Negro on the plantation. They are quite obvious in ther disregard for anyone other than themselves.

Remember this - the Internet is their only outlet. This is their life. That's why it is so important to them to exert dominance.

Kind of sad actually.

[Number23]

31. Nothing "kind of" about it

Kind of sad actually.

It's full on pitiful. And we have all been seeing this sad, sad show for YEARS.

[JustAnotherGen]

32. An O'Malley thread yesterday

Out of the blue an attack thread on O'Malley. Funny - because I thought this was a Clinton v Sanders race.

Anyhoooo - someone writes - We need a new FDR.

I ask - Will that include his housing policies. I then explain why that doesn't benefit me.

Comes back with - I trust Bernie over a Corporatist.

Not all - but some - SOME of his supporters - at least at DU - are slogan folks. Whichever slogan speaks to them/me/mine/me/me/me is what they know this election.

If Clinton or O'Malley win the nomination they just need to get Sanders top five words and integrate them into their ads/websites etc etc in the background as subliminal messages.

[Number23]

35. I expect O'Malley to increase his attacks on Sanders soon

O'Malley has nothing to lose by doing so and -- contrary to the belief of his over passionate zealots, I mean fans -- Sanders has a metric ton of stuff he can be criticized for.

[wildeyed]

21. If you want to play around with EC numbers

this is a good site. All you need to do is depress AA turnout in swing states and depress the educated white vote or flip it a few points into the red. We know that the GOP excels at voter suppression. So if Sanders manages to poison the well for the Democrats, then yeah, it is problematic.

I doubt Clinton supporters would stay home if Sanders won. Me, personally, I would struggle with getting excited about GOTV. But I would def vote.

And piss on anyone who blames and entire race for their problems.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-swing-the-election/

[JustAnotherGen]

25. I would vote too

I wouldn't work/volunteer for his election though. I don't want to have to interact with his supporters IRL.

Heavrn05 had some interesting feedback as an early supporter. I didnt get the impression that AfAms are allowed to have their own opinions around them - based upon what he shared here.

[wildeyed]

29. I didn't see those posts.

All though I would be interested in them for sure.

I usually do non-partisan issue-oriented voter registration and education anyway. I liked doing Obama last time, just because his GOTV was such a beautiful beast. It was fun to see what you can do with real money and tons of volunteers.

After a certain point, elections are just demographics, percentages and addition. You need X percent of each Dem leaning constituency Y amount of turnout. Dems need BOTH liberal white and AA to win. And women. Sander's plan never seemed to involve AA or women. He had neither on his original campaign team. Go figure

[Number23]

30. Just saw some Sanders "supporters" ONCE AGAIN beating up on you for not showing proper

blushing fealty and acquiescence when merely typing the candidate's name.

Good God, no wonder you feel like you'll need to leave DU if Sanders wins and that's AS A SANDERS SUPPORTER.

[randys1]

33. I must have missed that one, I am attacked all day everyday here for the sin

of supporting the Dem party.

Problem is there are real bad players out there, not in here, who do really bad shit when you arent looking.

[steve2470]

13. this more recent poll says 12%

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/poll-clinton-maintains-lead-over-sanders-heading-primaries

[JustAnotherGen]

12. I don't think he's going to win

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The nomination. I think he will win NH and then falter by S.T.

Regardless - we have one goal - Stop Trump!

I think he's going all the way.

He's awoken a sleeping evil beast and it's very angry and wants revenge.

[randys1]

14. Trump as president. My god, the comedy writes itself, but the people he would

harm, well it wouldn't be funny.

Do you, an astute observer, believe the GOP will allow him to be the candidate?

[JustAnotherGen]

19. I absolutely do

The Kochs have admitted - they can't control him. The people will vote for him. And Karl Rove is very quiet - we know he knows how to steal elections (saw the attempt in 2012) but I think he knows the numbers will be too high.

Trump needs Santorum, Fiorina, and Paul to drop out so he can grab the lead with a big spread. After that - Trump is the nominee.

Let's say Trump wins. I don't think he will live long making his VP selection very important.

The stroke out at the SOTU when he gets booed will do him in.

ETA - or a bad Botox procedure ;/)

[steve2470]

16. I agree completely

We have to stop Trump. The man frightens me as no one in politics ever has.

[wildeyed]

17. Yes it is.

Very unfortunate. Too bad there are not more like you.

I cannot WAIT for the primary to be over.

[randys1]

23. Thanks. The goal of certain folks is to bloody Hillary so badly that she loses in the GE

I dont think they thought Bernie had a shot at beating her out for the nomination.

So what happens if he does?

What holy hell is then unleashed on him AND on the AfAm community.

[JustAnotherGen]

26. Trumps supporters are going to be out for blood

If he loses.

They are a bloody violent bunch.

[wildeyed]

28. Not sure that he does.

He has made inroads with liberal whites. Not so much with AA and more conservative Dems. He is very far behind there. Not sure how much he needs to make up to actually win. I am not usually all that into primaries. I much prefer beating the holy heck out of the GOP to pissing on other Dems, but that's me.....

I assume this has been posted here, but it is new to me.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/09/upshot/why-bernie-sanderss-momentum-is-not-built-to-last.html

Here is FiveThirtyEight on the percentage of white liberals in each state. New Hampshire and Iowa are among the highest.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/bernie-sanders-could-win-iowa-and-new-hampshire-then-lose-everywhere-else/

The newest number I could find about her favorability in the AA community pegged it at 75%

It is so weird that I kind of feel like white "liberals" are my enemy right now. I AM a white liberal But I thought that also involved respect for diversity, among other things.... My bad.

[Tarheel_Dem]

27. The demonizing of democratic institutions has yielded very short term gains, IMHO. HRC will be the

nominee, but she may have to limp to the nomination because of outsiders who have gone after the DNC & DWS. After Super Tuesday, BS will be an afterthought, but the damage will have been done. They will scream that the DNC was in the bag for HRC all along, and therefore the outcome was rigged. They will scream that they will never give another dime to the DNC (I suspect they never have before), and they'll get their revenge somehow. Blah...Blah...and more Blah.

The good news, is that these are mostly Greens & other assorted leftists who hang out at sites like NorquistDogLake, RT & other sites devoted to attacking Democrats. The rest are just minions of Rove & Co, who have embedded themselves to stir up shit.

As a HRC supporter, it would be great if she won IA & NH, but it's not necessary to win the nomination. When the primaries come to the "broader" (you know what I mean) democratic electorate, Hillary Rodham Clinton will be the 2016 Democratic nominee for POTUS.

[Stellar]

34. It doesn't feel the same as when Obama was running in 2008...

This was just before his grandmother died and before he was nominated. I will be sorry to see him leave.