Three of the five "Now Trending" OPs are of ...

[1StrongBlackMan]

Black people support for Bernie ... all posted by non-Blacks, and no one seems to have a problem with this ... despite, the number of times, Black folks have asked/advised/requested that it stop.

I know this is Meta; but, I had to comment (and will self-delete if asked ... by someone that actually gives a shit about Black sentiment).

[Autumn]

1. Two Bernie endorsement's by POC and an article about Bernie and POC . Edited

Posted by Bernie supporters about the candidate they support.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280103856

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511088990

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511088635

And we Bernie supporters have to be Black to post those interesting and respectful articles about our candidate?? Bullshit and petty 1sbm.

Serious question here. If we must be Black to post those positive articles about the candidate we support, must we be Black to discuss them?

[1StrongBlackMan]

2. Serious answer ...

Do you really think your (the persist) posting of these pieces are anything more than a really sad attempt of non-Black Bernie supporters to convince themselves of what isn't (i.e., African-American support), really is?

[Autumn]

3. Must people here be white to post about Bernie?

I'm very sorry that you consider Erica Garner's endorsement of Bernie and Michelle Alexander'd discussion about Bernie a sad attempt to convince us that ALL black people support him. We aren't stupid you know but we can and will celebrate when Black Brothers and Sisters join us in our support of him.

[1StrongBlackMan]

4. They are ONLY your Black Brothers and Sisters BECAUSE they support Bernie ...

and the treatment of Black folks like John Lewis prove it.

[Autumn]

5. They were my Brothers and Sister before Bernie, and some will be my Brothers and Sisters after

Bernie. Many Bernie supporters white ones also, respect and revere John Lewis. But go right ahead paint everyone with one brush. That speaks to you and no one else.

[1StrongBlackMan]

8. Bullshit & Done with you. eom.

[randys1]

12. They only see what they want to see, there is a real anger on some people's part around

here.

The ultimate nonsense is the lecturing you are receiving.

I can take it when they accuse me of never supporting Bernie, even though I do it all day everyday, because I know they are literally not reading what I post or only reading part of what I say.

They have decided who is and who is not an enemy of their camp, and to hell with the reality.

[SusanCalvin]

18. Exactly, if you ask me.

I did not know about this request, think I may have recced a few things - I miss out on the meta sometimes.

That one is who banned me from the Bernie group for posts not even in the Bernie group. Not that I'm shedding any tears....

[JI7]

23. that poster defended Obama being called a piece of shit

so that says about all i need to know .

[MADem]

106. I remember that, too....

Mmmmm hmmmm--would she buy a used car from that man?

[Number23]

89. I suspect you'd have more friends if you just had more oversized, swirling BERRRRNNIIEEEE!!!!! pics

in your sig line.

That seems to be all the rage around here and it's hilarious. And I'm sure it's a coincidence that the ones with the biggest, most animated and swirling pics are definitely some of the more.... INTERESTING posters here.

[SusanCalvin]

93. Yeah, I notice that when I'm on the computer.

It's nice not to see them on the tablet.

[Hortensis]

77. 7-0 to "leave." :)

[JustAnotherGen]

81. A silly alert

Thank you for providing the results. He didn't attack anyone - he just expressed his opinion that it was 'bullshit' (the OPINION not the PERSON) and he was done.

[Hortensis]

84. Very.

[MeNMyVolt]

6. +1

[kath]

9. So you're psychic?

Cool.

[1StrongBlackMan]

10. So you're blind ... not so cool. Especially, when ...

the pattern has been pointed out for you, time and again ... which makes it willful.

[In_The_Wind]

80. ...

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Just over the top and insulting.




You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Jan 30, 2016, 06:54 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

[Coolest Ranger]

11. You are in the African American group

[Number23]

13. This is the post of the freaking year right here

I can't even believe that poster came into this forum in the first place. But there seems to -- once again -- be a certain elevated "interest" in this forum again from certain people, but just over the last few days mind you. And this new found "interest" begins and ends with anything pro-Bernie Sanders, but I guess that none of us are supposed to notice any of that.

They are ONLY your Black Brothers and Sisters BECAUSE they support Bernie

And it absolutely bewilders and humors me to no end that they think that no one can see it. That as transparent as they are, they somehow still believe that we are unable to see right through it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

15. Like I said ...

Those think that posting these pieces are anything more than a really sad attempt of non-Black Bernie supporters to convince themselves of what isn't (i.e., African-American support), really is, are delusional.

[Number23]

90. I think all of this speaks to how weak the other candidates are, to be honest

I saw Michelle Alexander's comments about Bill Clinton's policies, though I think it was interesting how she lumped Hillary in with that, and I think it speaks to how much black folks are giving Sanders the side eye that even knowing all of this, black folks and the vast majority of other minority groups -- Hispanics, women, gays, etc. -- are still lining up behind Hillary.

I have no doubt that while there are many in each of these groups that are thrilled and overjoyed to vote for Hillary, I think the majority are supporting her because it's kind of "don't have any other viable options" kind of thing. And that speaks to the weakness of the other candidates every bit as much as it speaks to Hillary's supposed "strengths."

[JI7]

39. well, Hillary was attacked much longer in this forum and her supporters didn't come in

doing what you are doing right now.

there are threads right now attacking her and no posts from them in those threads the way you are doing here.

[JI7]

41. why do they need white people to tell them ? especially when they had no interest in this

forum before ?

there are already regulars including regular black people who criticize hillary.

[JI7]

47. majority of white people support republicans and right now many are supporting Donald Trump

[JI7]

50. hahahaha, Donald Trump supporters are being kept from voicing their opinions by black people ???????

[JI7]

54. hahah, so black people on DU are at fault for white people supporting Donald Trump, HAHAHAHHA

[JI7]

58. yeah, blame white people being racist on minorities.

[JI7]

61. minorities do what ? minorities are not the ones supporting candidates attacking whites the way

Trump attacks minorities.

[Number23]

88. I don't know what those comments are that you've responded to but I can get a bit of an idea by

your responses.

I guess the Blame the Negroes Bus is already getting gassed up and ready to driven over our backs by some of Sanders more unhinged, hateful and clueless supporters?? Color me super surprised! And he hasn't even lost anything yet!

[thesquanderer]

79. Are those the three threads that 1SBM is referring to in his OP?

I would see his point if non-POC were posting those items in the AA group, but these things were posted in the Sanders group or in General Discussion. What's wrong with that?

Items that relate to Sanders' outreach into--or sources of support from within--the AA community are potentially relevant both to those specifically concerned with AA issues, and also to anyone at all who has any interest in Sanders' candidacy (since it is well understood that Sanders needs to increase his AA support to win). So one would expect there to be interest in these kinds of stories both within and outside the AA community.

[Autumn]

7. It has been brought to my attention that I have inadvertently posted in your group.

I apologize for the intrusion but stand by my responses to your OP and I will bow out of this conversation gracefully. Have a nice day.

[Number23]

14. I was so livid at you posting in this group that I blocked you before seeing this message

I am glad that you recognized that your presence here was an intrusion and apologized.

[BlueMTexpat]

16. I give a sh**

about Black sentiment although, full disclosure, I am not a POC. Please do not self-delete. I love your "voice."

[GitRDun]

17. A while back you did a post discussing how to gain an understanding if you are someone's ally.

It really clarified for me why we oftentimes fail as whites to understand why we fail our fellow citizens with non "white privileged" backgrounds.

This post is littered with more of the same arrogant presumptuous bull I saw in the ally OP.

My hope is a single person learns something from your thoughts.

At least that's progress....

[lovemydog]

24. +1

[sheshe2]

19. KnR

Do not delete please.

[SusanCalvin]

20. Please do not delete.

[brer cat]

21. It needed to be said.

Please do not delete.

[Starry Messenger]

22. We see them.

[JI7]

25. i really suggest you try to ignore them

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and especially try to avoid even going into that group.

now they have attacked nancegreggs by using her husband who passed away last year against her. this type of hatred isn't something you can really reason with.

[FrenchieCat]

26. Wow.....

Seriously?

That's sick!

[JI7]

28. there was this strange obsession with steveleser and nancegreggs for a while

because they think since they supported Obama over Clinton in 2008 it means they should forever hate clinton or some shit.

but now using her husband's death against her just shows the level of this hatred .

[FrenchieCat]

29. Just disgusting!

He just passed away recently....

How could they do it?

Barney La Rouche, that's what that is!

[randys1]

83. Who died?

[NanceGreggs]

27. Thanks for that, J17.

My husband's passing was quick and very unexpected - and it is still a bit of an open wound. The fact that someone saw fit to throw salt in that wound in order to try and score political points is - as you've said - the type of hatred that can't be reasoned with.

I am truly heartbroken at what this site has become. What used to be a refuge for Democrats away from the hatred of the Bush years is now the source of such hatred. Real life has become my refuge from DU.

[FrenchieCat]

30. I'm so sorry NanceGreggs!

I really Am!

Kinda makes me suspect that they believe that if they act like Republicans, they'll get what the want!

They don't realize that when you become like those you despise and are trying to beat....
you'll lose everytime, as you can never be as good as the originals! They don't get that yet, but they will!

[ZombieHorde]

32. Profoundly rude.

I'm so sorry some here treated you and your family like that.

[NanceGreggs]

33. Thank you. n/t

[JI7]

34. the whole thing is just bizarre and fucked up

trying to connect your support for Obama over Clinton in 2008 to supporting Clinton now(when obama is not running) as meaning something questionable about your intentions and using your husband's passing as reason.

people like john lewis have gotten the same treatment so that's how much those opinions should count.

[NanceGreggs]

35. For me ...

... the way John Lewis was treated was the biggest "tell" of who BS supporters really are.

There have been others, of course, who have been eviscerated by BS supporters simply because they support HRC - but John Lewis was the big "there's no going back from this" tell.

[sheshe2]

99. No going back from this.

No, there is not Nance. Two men I greatly admire, under the bus. This picture is for the ages. There is so much history in that image. There is so much pain and raw emotion here, yet an undeniable love and respect between them. They have both helped to move this country forward. They have helped move the African Community forward, they aren't done yet, none of us are.

[NanceGreggs]

100. Incredible photo ...

... that speaks volumes.

There are, sadly, too many things that have been posted on this site that there is no going back from, particularly when it comes to racist sentiments not only being posted here, but being applauded.

DU has lost all credibility as a Democratic site, as a site for progressives, as a site where civil discussion was once not only encouraged, but expected as a matter of course.

When I think of what DU used to be and what it has now become - well, even discussing it has been rendered pointless.

There's no going back. It just can't be done.

[sheshe2]

101. Hey,

I had only gotten back to DU a few hours when I saw that post to you. I am so very sorry. I know it caused you pain. Love you Nance, you are one of my sheros here.

Ya know, the only reason I am back is for three groups and the people I admire that discuss the issues. Sometimes we can also just laugh and have fun and celebrate. As you know life is far to short and I have no intention of living it angry and mean.

Best~

she

[JI7]

45. for someone who just got here you sure seem familiar with things

interesting you decided to first come here.

[JI7]

55. funny you justify white support for Trump and yet see the black people here as being hateful

[JI7]

59. fuck that excuse

[1StrongBlackMan]

82. LOL ...

Real life has become my refuge from DU.

So true.

[Number23]

91. Nance, I am so so sorry. I can only imagine how hurtful that must be to you

I am truly sorry that you had to see something so disgusting and hateful.

[NanceGreggs]

96. Thanks 23 ...

The sad fact is that this site has become a breeding ground for that kind of thing - as you well know.

I guess we eventually all get targeted for other people's hatred and vitriol here - and obviously it was my turn.

[brer cat]

95. Way beyond the pale.

I am so sorry you had to endure that, Nance. I do hope Skinner is aware of the poster...I think the admins are going to need to do a lot of clean-up on this site. Most of us come here to learn and share with people who have common values, and we should be able to without bullying, insults, and personal cruelty.

[NanceGreggs]

98. Thank you.

Sad to say, I'm afraid DU is beyond being cleaned up. The nastiness is too widespread, and has gone on for too long.

[pnwmom]

102. NanceGreggs,

I am so sorry to hear of your loss. May he rest in peace.

[NanceGreggs]

103. Oh, my ...

Thank you so much.

My husband, JeffR, passed last spring from what he'd dubbed "a mild case of terminal cancer".

As befitting the originator of the DUzy Awards, he himself was a DUzy right to the end.

Thanks again for your kind words.

[pnwmom]

104. He was Mr. DUzy?

I didn't realize.

He was one of the DUers treasures. We all miss him.

[WIProgressive88]

111. I am so, so sorry both for your loss and for the terrible comments made towards you.

Absolutely inexcusable and disgusting.

[NanceGreggs]

113. Thank you for taking the time to say that. n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

114. Nance, I'm so sorry you had to experience that. And I'm also glad I never saw the offending post.

Stay strong.

[NanceGreggs]

115. Thank you, T_D!

[sheshe2]

31. I just saw that, it made me cry.

I just got back to DU a few hours ago. Not sure why I am here,

[brer cat]

94. You have certainly put up with a ton of crap.

"Not sure why I am here"...because you belong here and you are loved! Don't let them chase you away, sheshe.

[WIProgressive88]

112. Please stick around!

I may be supporting a different candidate than you are, but I always enjoy your posts and really admire your passion. Don't let the bastards get you down!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

110. WHAT??? THAT'S SICK!!!

[JI7]

43. this is the african american forum and you have a problem with a black person who regularly posts

here making a post about african americans ?

btw, there are many bernie supporters who regularly post here and have done since before the primary .

[JI7]

48. he is criticizing white people who try to decide who is the voice of black sentiment

[JI7]

62. TROLL

[JI7]

65. are you george zimmerman ?

[JI7]

67. yeah, i'm sure you are still waiting for facts on Trump being a racist

[w4rma]

73. Zimmerman *did* stalk Trayvon.

Zimmerman followed Martin, eventually losing sight of him. The dispatcher asked Zimmerman if he was following him. When Zimmerman answered, "yeah", the dispatcher said, "We don't need you to do that." Zimmerman responded, "Okay."
…
During an ABC News exclusive report, Crump allowed portions of his recorded interview with Martin's friend to be aired. She said that Martin told her that a man was watching him from his vehicle while talking on the phone before the man started following Martin. Martin told his friend at one point that he had lost the man but the man suddenly appeared again.[134][135][138] The friend, originally known only as "Witness 8" (now known as Rachel Jeantel), said that she told Martin to run to the townhouse where he was staying with his father and his father's fiancée.[135] She then heard Martin say, "What are you following me for?" followed by a man's voice responding, "What are you doing around here?" She testified that she then heard what sounded like Martin's phone earpiece dropping into wet grass, and she heard the sound of Martin's voice saying "Get off! Get off!" The phone then went dead, she said: "I was trying to say, 'Trayvon, Trayvon, what's going on'", Jeantel testified, "I started hearing a little of Trayvon saying 'Get off, get off', when the phone went silent".
…
Investigators alleged that while Zimmerman was talking to the dispatcher, Martin was on the phone with a friend and she said that Martin was scared because he was being followed by an unknown man. Investigators said that Martin attempted to run home, but Zimmerman followed him because he didn't want Martin to get away. When the police dispatcher realized Zimmerman was following Martin, he told Zimmerman that was unnecessary and that police would meet him there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin

[seaglass]

70. Can not believe the above was not a 7-0 hide

On Sat Jan 30, 2016, 05:24 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

White people have just as much right to decide as he does
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=37835

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

racist troll

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Jan 30, 2016, 05:38 AM, and the Jury voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I'm not of the opinion that the poster is a "racist troll", but I don't think that anyone should be making the argument that certain African-Americans' opinions are clouded by emotion.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: bye
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Not a good start to DU for this person.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[JI7]

71. i thought it should have resulted in a ban.i alerted on another post which

hopefully will finally ban it.

[seaglass]

72. Me too, thus my comment - bye. Not sure MIRT will see it without a 7-0. n/t

[JI7]

74. i got the results of my 2nd alert and and AGAIN 2 people voted to leave it alone

not just leave it alone but one agreed with the racist poster. they said they read the whole thread and agreed with him.

the poster is finally banned but i think it might be due to the thread it started asking if clinton supporters were mentally ill.

[Behind the Aegis]

75. I can assure you, it wasn't the Clinton thread.

There are only a handful of MIRT members. I happened to come back and saw two PMs. I had to do a quick view of the posts and saw what was happening. I moved as quickly as possible to ban this poster. I am just sorry this thread was disrupted with his/her vile racism.

[JI7]

78. you did good

But I'm annoyed some thought what he posted was ok.

[Behind the Aegis]

86. Trust me, I was greatly annoyed too!

After reviewing the posts, I banned the poster quickly because I realized what was happening, and I also alerted on BOTH alerts. I was busy looking at recipes and didn't look back at DU like I normally do. Usually, they don't get that many posts by us. A similar troll did the same to my thread in LBN about Obama recognizing The Righteous from the Holocaust. It is very frustrating when threads by/about minority issues are trolled in such a way. Just know, had other MIRT been around, they too would have acted the way I did, as soon as they became aware of the racist troll.

[Cha]

76. I was on that jury and was going to post the results.. I was #juror 4.. I know 2 voted to leave

I just sent an abuse alert on them..

Jurors #3 and #7 voted to Leave this Racist Troll's post that is now "name removed".

What if he is?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=37854

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

racist troll. i alerted on another post and it was hidden but the poster needs to be banned.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Jan 30, 2016, 05:51 AM, and the Jury voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I read the whole thread and found the alerted on poster's comments to be thoughtful and reasoned. Post on, Sarion!
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: OMG.. this guy has a real problem... he thinks he's smarter and better than anyone.. and he knows it all.

Problem is he doesn't know anything.. defending trump. 'Nuff said.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: 21 posts but he/she will not get to 22 ..... troll, pizza time
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: A soon to be gone troll!
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you, JI7

[Number23]

92. Cha, please... PLEASE tell me you sent a jury alert on juror #3???

[Cha]

97. Yes, I did.. #3 and #7!

[BlueMTexpat]

69. Hi again!

Glad to see that this OP is still here.

What I find quite telling is that, as of the time of this post, there are supposedly 63 replies to your OP. I see only 18 and they are all either supportive of your OP or supportive of others here who have been unfairly piled on simply because they have the effrontery not to prefer SBS over HRC.

Until Dec 2015, I had put only four DUers on Full Ignore and they were obvious trolls. Now there are >100, some longtime members with whom I had not always agreed, but whom I found to be reasonable. Not so now, sadly.

The Ignore List does make for kinder, gentler reading. But trashing threads doesn't make them disappear, unfortunately, and many of the OPs posted on DU on a daily basis are straight out of KKKarl Rove's playbook.

[Coolest Ranger]

85. and now you wonder why

I avoid the front page and why I put a lot of his supporters who post crap on ignore

[greatauntoftriplets]

87. Please do not delete this OP.

Thank you.

[MADem]

105. I think a lot of those people will have a hard time picking Ben Jealous out on the stage!

I've noticed it, too. And I think it's a fair point to note.

A few of the cheerleaders have been shown the door here, I think, too.

[Recursion]

107. What's the term in scriptwriting for the random minority character who appears

and tells the hero a bit of wisdom he needed to hear, and then fades back into the mist?

[1StrongBlackMan]

108. I am unfamilar with that; but, I have heard about the ...

Magic Negro ... ala, Bagger Vince, John Coffey (the Green Mile), Queen Latifah (the horrible Steve Martin movie).

[Recursion]

109. Ah, yeah, that's the one.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagicalNegro