I had an exchange that I think explains a lot ...

[1StrongBlackMan]

We were talking about the Crime Bill (with me saying I really don't have a problem with HRC's promoting it, nor Sanders' having voted for it - even, removing the "nuanced" VAWA and Assault Weapons Ban apologia)

The person I was engaging said:

despite his predictions that it would tear apart so many families and lives. (referencing a reluctant vote)

I responded:

But how do you talk to a mother that just buried her son; but, had to do it without the help from her crack addicted daughter, nieces and nephews ... about families and lives being torn apart by legislation?

I think that explains a lot of the Bernie/HRC disparity in regards to the Black community ... Bernie is offering 40,000 foot responses to ground level issues, that don't seem to immediately consider the ground level issues being faced; whereas, HRC appears to be offering bottom up solutions, starting with consideration for where Black people are.

[Iliyah]

1. K & R

[Csainvestor]

2. Hillary is against legalization

She is in favor of private prisons, and she is pro death penalty.

Are these the solutions that Hillary will use to help the African American community at the ground level?

[PatrynXX]

3. sounds more like the opposite is true

[emulatorloo]

4. Welcome to DU. She's Pro-Death penalty only for Tim McVeigh types

If you are willing to misrepresent her position on that issue, I'm hesitant to take anything you say seriously.

[noamnety]

7. don't forget Ricky Ray Rector Types

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saving his pecan pie for later.

[HassleCat]

8. I'm not sure about that

The statements of which I am aware refer to "certain cases" and things such as that. It's not definite at all, so I get no feeling for which criminals she feels should be executed. In any case, the only way to end capital punishment is to end it. Arguing about which criminals should die, and which should not, just allows states like Texas to roll right along.

[emulatorloo]

10. Nonetheless our new friend lacks your nuance.

You've got some great thoughts. Our new friend just reduces things to the bumper stickerisms and spews anger at the OP.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. As is President Obama and John Kerry

Even Israel that doesn't have a death penalty and haven't executed anybody else in their nearly seventy year hearing executed Adolf Eichmann.


It's a red herring.

[LuvLoogie]

6. Given that you are new to DU, you may get a pass for that.

But as you have not taken the time to observe much, let me suggest that you may have bitten off more than you can chew.

[HassleCat]

5. About that crime bill

It illustrates how Clinton can be for something, then against it, and people have no problem with that. Some people like her. They just plain like her, and that's OK. The truth is has failed to recognize several bad pieces of legislation when they came up, even throwing in some high temperature rhetoric, as in the case of the crime bill. Has she admitted the 1994 crime bill was a mistake? What's her plan to deal with its bad effects? Does she plan to end capital punishment? Legalize hemp? Use the Justice Department to reform police departments? End the flow of military weapons to police departments? I'm realistic enough to know she will probably be the next president, and I'm trying to like her, but she needs to come to terms with some serious inconsistencies regarding justice, crime and punishment.

[tk2kewl]

9. I disagree. I see Bernie as a very compassionate person.

A very rare thing for Washington. If you look at how he operated in Burlington you would see he was very deeply involved in ground level issues and organizing. He involved everyone in city government. Clearly that will be harder to do at the national level, but I'd like to see him give it a shot.

[1StrongBlackMan]

11. I don't question Bernie'so compassion ...

I do question his ability to craft solutions that address where people outside of his experience are at. Witness his reservation on the crime bill vis-a-vis the already broken lives of those that called for the bill.

[tk2kewl]

12. I understand there is skepticism.

Here's to making better world

I may or may not be around DU much after the primary, but I will still be fighting the good fight.

[1StrongBlackMan]

13. As I hope we all are ...

Realizing that we really do, still have to live in the world we have ... which is not the dystopia we are sure will occur with a Democratic presidency.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

14. That's because Bernie has never had to confront "ground-up" experiences. He's coming from

a lily white experience. And being in lily white, homogenous environment has shielded him from these issues. So for him, everything is on a macro level. He's applying a macro-level solution to an issue that is most parochial and much more individual. Not all social problems affect people the same. So when he speaks on these issues, he doesn't fully grasp their impact on a micro-level in the way that he talks about it. It's all reductionist: achieve economic parity with whites, and the problem magically goes away. Except for that it's much more complicated than that. I am assuming that that's one of the reasons why HRC is winning. She seems to better grasp these issues on a micro-level; again, that could be why Eric Garner, Trayvon Martin and other families directly affected by these things are supporting her.

[bettyellen]

16. Yeah, I have tried to explain what NYC was like back in the 80's to early 90's and it's apparent

many aren't interested in context.