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Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:58 PM Feb 2016

I have a double feature for you

First up is bravenak.

Black People Don't Have To Explain Why They Vote Hillary

I was not going to bother saying anything.

But here goes:

This expectation that we black people have to explain ourselves to the satisfaction of white liberals is tiresome and demeaning. Do we ever go around and ask white people to give us an explanation that satisfies our desparate curiosity as to why they are not informed enough to vote for the people who we think are in their best interests? Do we constantly rail against the voting habits of the white population as if we are terribly concerned that their habit of voting republican is destructive to us personally? And if we did, would anybody have the slightest concern about our need to be satisfied with their answer?

This sudden concern for our incarceration, our poverty, our hurt feelings over some remark Hillary made twenty five years ago is remarkable and terribly transparent. The shallow nature of the concern from many is so noticeable that I find it hard to even read most diaries or articles written to appeal to blacks for Bernie.

The constant name dropping of halfway relevant black figures is almost heartbreaking. No matter how often we say it is offensive, we hear cries of ‘you don’t speak for all black people!!!’, from people who have no idea what is feels like to be black.

I would answer your queries, but honestly it has been answered a million times, by hundreds of thousands of black people, and if it is not understood by now, it never will be.

The paternalism of those we call allies, who rant and rage and lash out on us with a mighty fury, ‘for our own good!’, to help us desperate, uneducated, ignorant, uninformed, needing of their guidance souls, become as enlightened as they and finally, finally by GOD vote in what they know, from their pedastal of progressive purity, is in ‘OUR BEST INTERESTS!’ is demeaning and horror inducing. See, they know much better than our dense, weakminded selves what is best for blacks. They remind us day after day how much they know about what we should think, do and want, and how we should vote. How could they not?

That is the answer.


And on the backend is yours truly.


I hate to say that I told you so...

In a 12/1/15 Black Kos commentary, I concluded:


While policies, platforms and legislative votes are historically important (prerequisites, in fact) to black voters, the popular support of Roosevelts (or at least Eleanor) and the Clintons (for all of their faults and policy shade) in black communities illuminate a indispensable maxim for attaining the black vote: It is much less important for us (black people) to get to know you (the candidate) than for you to get to know us.


That statement was nothing more and nothing less than what many black Kossacks (even those that support Bernie Sanders) had been saying for months.

It appears that the last time that Bernie Sanders had much (if any) contact with black communities would be in the 1960’s.

That has nothing to do with endorsing Jesse Jackson in Vermont 1984 and 1988.

That does not have much to do with whatever votes he may have made as a Congressman supporting my community.

It is ludicrous for Bernie Sanders to expect that he would be able to get the levels of support that will apparently need after being physically ​absent from out communities for 50 years only to come back for a vote.

I don’t understand why this is so hard for Bernie Sanders supporters to understand

Black folks are going to smell that from a mile away.

Let me add a note for some of the Clinton supporters here: I would not go around spiking the football as some of you have been doing the past couple of days. You don’t want to do that to yourself because this black man, this black voter (early voting in Illinois begins on Monday) really ain’t feeling Hillary Clinton at all.


Much shade is being thrown, I assure you.

It's good to be back.
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I have a double feature for you (Original Post) Chitown Kev Feb 2016 OP
Yeah, Bernie did not take food out of the mouths of babs angstlessk Feb 2016 #1
Glad to have you back. brer cat Feb 2016 #2
I have been saying the same thing about both candidates. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #3
Two of my nost beloved posters in a single OP???! Number23 Feb 2016 #4
It is much less important for us (black people) to get to know you (the candidate) SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #5
Is it that they must pay attention to any individual block or is it what they stand for bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #6
Why ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #15
K&R ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #7
K&R sheshe2 Feb 2016 #8
After my own heart: "Black People Don't Have To Explain Why They Vote Hillary". Tarheel_Dem Feb 2016 #9
I love how you combined it rbrnmw Feb 2016 #10
Yup!! Digital Puppy Feb 2016 #11
Here is where the other side messed up Coolest Ranger Feb 2016 #12
Democrats ignore these messages at our peril. Especially the last paragraph. yardwork Feb 2016 #13
I'm allergic to all proselytizing... OneGrassRoot Feb 2016 #14
"proselytizing" - THAT'S IT!!!! SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #16
 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
3. I have been saying the same thing about both candidates.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:05 PM
Feb 2016

I have serious issues with HRCs foreign policy concepts but jumping up & down yelling banks are bad I'm not going to become or stay intrigued.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
4. Two of my nost beloved posters in a single OP???!
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:06 PM
Feb 2016

Just made a fabulous, awesome, PHENOMENALLY great day even better.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
5. It is much less important for us (black people) to get to know you (the candidate)
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:07 PM
Feb 2016

than for you to get to know us.

There it is.

I currently want Bernie to win, but something's gotta change.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
6. Is it that they must pay attention to any individual block or is it what they stand for
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:07 PM
Feb 2016

as a person, care about the whole of us, so as to make a good President. Isn't that what is most important? It should be about issues that affect both you and me black and white, and all others i.e., Asian, and American Indian etc. All of us should listen to what these candidates are saying (not whether they have paid us personally some attention) about what they want for all of us. Will they want to make sure we have good treatment, good jobs, good healthcare, good wages, etc. To me that is the most important issues. Welcome back.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
15. Why ...
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 10:58 AM
Feb 2016
It should be about issues that affect both you and me black and white, and all others i.e., Asian, and American Indian etc.


I weighing MY political choice, why should I consider issues that affect someone else?

TBH, my only consideration in that regard might be, "does the issue hurt someone", not whether the issue helps everyone/anyone else. Call me selfish!

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
12. Here is where the other side messed up
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:46 AM
Feb 2016

By not tailoring your campaign to include us and focusing on one segment of our party, you are pretty much saying to us that you don't give a damn about black voters. By egging people who are not black to come and attack us online you are pretty much telling us everything we need to know about you.

Look at General Discussion Primaries to take a good snap shot of why so many people are not voting for the other candidate. I can't tell you how many times one of the other candidate supporters has come to me and tell me to my face that I will vote for said candidate or else. That makes it seem like a threat to me which I take very seriously. This is 2016 and I will not be threatened by anyone. I will instead show you how threatened I am with my vote.

DU used to be a great place to come to to get some good information. Now, its like I'm worried about every thing I post for fear of being the next person to be targeted and eliminated.

yardwork

(68,985 posts)
13. Democrats ignore these messages at our peril. Especially the last paragraph.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:33 AM
Feb 2016

Welcome back to DU, Kev.

(Oh, and if any of the jurors brought by the inevitable alert on the OP read this far, yes, it is within DU rules to post commentary from other sites, even if the writer happens to be on time-out from DU. If you are unsure about this, check out the pinned thread by MannyGoldstein in the Bernie Sanders group. Manny is banned from DU, but he's posted by proxy here all the time. It's not against the rules.)

OneGrassRoot

(23,930 posts)
14. I'm allergic to all proselytizing...
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:56 AM
Feb 2016

whether it's about religion or politics or anything else. I can see stating one's beliefs and whom one supports, publicly and clearly and passionately, but what I see happening between Hillary and Bernie supporters -- that I'm friends with, at least -- is akin to religious factions fighting, demeaning and wanting to destroy the other.

I like both candidates, so the whole thing makes me really sad.

The racism and sexism involved can't be ignored. That is the most sickening aspect of this whole thing.

Very similar to 2008.

The racism (cloaked in various forms of bullshit) and patriarchy (I'll tell you what's best for you) hurled at Hillary supporters is disgusting.

Ick, ick, ick.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
16. "proselytizing" - THAT'S IT!!!!
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:07 AM
Feb 2016

*That's* why this stuff bugs me so much. I've hated proselytizing since I was a child, just hadn't made the connection.

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