I have the feeling ...

[1StrongBlackMan]

the Michael Brown killing will be as revealing of DU as the TM killing.

Why do some "liberals" always seek to explain "How/Why it is reasonable to suspect that the Black guy caused his own death"; but never feel the need to explain how/why it is reasonable to suspect that the white guy caused his own death ... or pepper-spraying?

[gollygee]

1. Here at DU

When a white person is accused of a crime, no matter how strong the evidence, we see lots of threads about how people are innocent until proven guilty, and we can't assume anything until there's a trial.

But Michael Brown gets shot and we are not giving him a presumption of innocence. We're going out of our way to find a way to be able to assume he's guilty of something, and then assuming the police officer was fair to assume he was guilty of something.

[1StrongBlackMan]

2. The sad thing is ...

this is exactly true; but no one points out how f@#ked up the "logic" of that is ...

In the first instance:

"When a white person is accused of a crime ... people are innocent until proven guilty"

versus:

"Michael Brown gets shot and we are not giving him a presumption of innocence"

Why are we even comparing the treatment of someone suspected of committing a crime with the treatment of a victim?

[gollygee]

3. I posted this thread yesterday but it sank. Twice.

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10025386226

[heaven05]

36. You were correct

and the enablers of racism and the "white privilege is not the proper term" crowd, who do not want anyone to describe how racism is enabled are usual suspects. Usual suspects.

[MrScorpio]

4. I was going to post an OP along the same lines

Glad you got here first

[1StrongBlackMan]

6. I'm seeing TM 2.0, already. eom.

[Number23]

13. Hell, on DU even when the black guy GOES TO JAIL for his crimes, it still isn't enough and he needs

to be drawn and quartered.

Michael Vick anyone?

[MADem]

14. I keep getting crickets when I point out that Michael Brown died an innocent man.

You can't try a dead kid for anything.

People should stop trying.

[JustAnotherGen]

15. +1

[Left coast liberal]

5. I hear ya but not me...

...first thing I thought was "O shit! Not again!"

This hurts!

[kwassa]

7. I agree and ...

I can guess the names of the posters who will be posting in support of the police already.

[sheshe2]

8. Revealing yes, surprising no.

Though we will certainly see some newcomers.

[gollygee]

11. I was told that only white Republicans say they don't have white privilege.

So I guess that poster has missed all the white privilege threads where a bunch of white Democrats have said they don't have white privilege.

:dunno:

[Blue_Tires]

16. I'd made the comment last week

That DU is surprisingly near-unanimous over the Brown case...

I had a much, much harder time during Trayvon, when DU had a hard 60/40 split opinion-wise

[La Lioness Priyanka]

17. so true. nt

[BainsBane]

18. I find it interesting

That people suddenly care about racism. I can't help but think that will soon go away as soon as cable news replaces this story with another.

[1StrongBlackMan]

19. Yep ...

And sadly, I suspect that a lot of the "violence" will go away when the cameras go away as well.

I have exactly zero experience in the proper law enforcement protocol, when it comes to addressing civil unrest; but it would seem that reinforced police lines is one of the problems ... it would seem there are enough angry, but peaceful protesters (who are already stand up to the more violent amongst the protesters) that a better approach would be for the police join with them to "protect" both the property and protesters ... break down the "us versus them" visual and physical divide.

I don't see a need for a hard police line, other than to project authority.

[BainsBane]

20. They had some guests on the Diane Rehm radio show who were experts

making very similar comments. http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2014-08-18/police-race-and-use-deadly-force

[LiberalAndProud]

21. If Michael Brown had been caucasion

and certifiably guilty of every transgression he has been accused of, he would still be alive. That, to me, is self evident.


[center][font size="4" color="blue"]The dead cannot cry out for justice; it is a duty of the living to do so for them. —
Lois McMaster Bujold[/font][/center]

[heaven05]

22. yes

it has, no surprise though. I expected these responses, on here, from some .

[BainsBane]

23. Looks like Ferguson is already forgotten

Cable news must have moved on. So now instead we have juries hiding posts suggesting that white people are not subject to terrible racism.

[1StrongBlackMan]

24. Yep ...

But, even without the context of the juried post, I would have loved to serve on that jury ... I would have voted to keep with the comment:

I voted to keep; but, for the sake of preventing the promotion of inaccurate information, I should have voted to hide. WHITE PEOPLE ARE NOT SUBJECT TO ANY RACISM IN AMERICA!!!

And did you see (In Bigree's self-deleted F DU thread), someone, "literally" said a sign of RW Trolls posing as progressives is all the "extreme white privilege" posts ... not all the attacks on Democrats from the left, not all the attacks on Democrats from the left using the hero boy of the libertarian right (and left); but "extreme white privilege"!

But more troubling, AND SOMEONE AGREED WITH HIM!!!!

is up with DU?

[JustAnotherGen]

25. Yeah

But it was 'the kid' who went there. I hope as he approaches his mid 20's - he has the ability to expand his life experience. I kind of feel bad for him - but at his age I had one broken engagement, 2 bachelors degrees, a total change in career path, and had taken a year to travel abroad with a friend - just us - a train pass and some knapsacks.

We'd go for a few weeks - travel - come back - work a little more - and find a new adventure.

Invaluable experiences.


ETA - I also LOVE when he chastises me. I've shown my husband a few and he's like - He has NO idea who he's messing with. Face to face you'd make him cry like you did Doc (a 65 year old man with a mean racist streak) a few weeks ago!

[1StrongBlackMan]

26. Even worse ...

there are DUers that think it OKAY that a Ferguson cop allowed his dog to urinate on a memorial to Michael Brown!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025449165#post12

[JustAnotherGen]

27. Pardon my language

But unfucking believable.

[1StrongBlackMan]

28. My thought, exactly ...

[JustAnotherGen]

29. Hey!

The kid responded to one of my posts again. He's too much!

[Jamaal510]

31. Which kid went there?

Was it Billy the Kid? J/K

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

30. Because white liberals can be just as racially insensitive/racist as conservatives!

Some of them truly believe that if they don't practice more explicit or overt forms of racism, that means that they are not racist.

Deny and deflect!

[Jamaal510]

32. It's amazing how

backwards a handful of posters seem to be on a progressive site when it comes to race. I really don't know what much else to say. I don't know how some of you guys here have the patience to continue doing the Tango with them. At this point, it's almost like talking to a brick wall. They've been employing some of the same tactics as actual RWers in terms of trying to silence the conversation on this site and sweep the problem under a rug.

[gollygee]

33. I don't think it's that surprising

I'm a strong believer in labor unions, but the history of them is horribly racist, and there are still remnants of that in some areas that are liberal due to labor and not civil rights.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

34. Deny and deflect. Doing so makes the sting of the truth (and guilt) hurt a little less.

[heaven05]

35. already has been

as revealing to me and we shall see gloves off from the 'usual suspects' when and if the trial starts. If, which I expect, wilson is released, we will REALLY see the revealing of DU's 'usual suspects'. The Trayvon Martin trial and zimpig acquittal showed me everything I needed to see about a lot of so-called liberals and progressives on this site. I was disappointed yet not surprised or without precedent to draw from.