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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Fri May 22, 2015, 12:56 PM May 2015

Pete Rose Requests Reinstatement To MLB

http://bostonsportsfanatic.sportsblog.com/posts/1973767/pete_rose_requests_reinstatement_to_mlb.html

Major League Baseball commissioner Rob Manfred says he has received a formal request from Pete Rose asking that his lifetime ban be lifted and that he will consider the all-time hits leader's request "on its merits.", according to ESPN.

Rose was suspended for betting on baseball by commissioner Bart Giamatti in 1989, and his occasional requests of commissioner Bud Selig to be allowed back into the game were not approved, but Rose may see a potential opening for reinstatement with Manfred's appointment in January.

Manfred said he would like to take time to review the paperwork of Giamatti and investigator John Dowd, who filed the report on Rose's betting for MLB. Rose denied for many years that he had bet on baseball, but eventually admitted he bet on baseball, and his own Reds team, while managing the Reds.

Manfred said he has received no lobbying from the Hall of Fame regarding Rose. The presumption is that he'd be allowed on the Hall of Fame ballot if he were to be readmitted to the game.


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Pete Rose Requests Reinstatement To MLB (Original Post) KamaAina May 2015 OP
Here is the answer Renew Deal May 2015 #1
If It Came To A Vote . . . ProfessorGAC May 2015 #5
It won't happen. Gemini Cat May 2015 #2
ESPN had "Pete Rose on trial" JonLP24 May 2015 #3
Jim Palmer had a crush on my mom! KamaAina May 2015 #4
When he was a teenager, Palmer lived next to Janet Lee and Tony Curtis. El Supremo May 2015 #6
So my mom compared favorably to Janet Lee? KamaAina May 2015 #7

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
3. ESPN had "Pete Rose on trial"
Mon May 25, 2015, 08:03 PM
May 2015

With Johnny Cochrain representing the defense and Alan Dershowitzi for the prosecution. It was a show but a very good show but for reasons Johnny Cochrain brought up I'm in favor though since then Rose admitted he did which hurts his case more.



You knew right off what kind of trial it would be when Judge Catherine Crier announced that procedure would follow "the spirit but not the minutiae of the law." (The spirit of whose law? The Rose issue has never come to court, and Rose wasn't even present Thursday.) Commentary was ineptly handled by ESPN's Bob Ley and CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin, both of whom seemed prepared to accept Major League Baseball's case against Rose and who appeared stunned at the end when the jury voted 8-4 in Rose's favor. More than 300,000 call-in and online votes went Rose's way by a margin of nearly 4-1.

Most of the "evidence" came in the form of testimony from former ballplayers such as Jim Palmer, Henry Aaron, Dave Parker, Steve Garvey, and Bill "Spaceman" Lee. The players commented on whether Rose's achievements as a player merited a plaque in Cooperstown (of course they do) or whether Rose's gambling activities (about which none of the former players knew anything specific) invalidated his claim to the HOF. Most notable among them was Lee, who admitted he thought Rose had bet on baseball but answered "not really" when asked whether or not Rose's alleged transgression merited a lifetime ban from baseball.

Dershowitz fouled out by comparing the accusations that Rose bet on baseball to Shoeless Joe Jackson's lifetime ban for conspiring to fix the 1919 World Series. Whether or not Jackson actually helped fix the games will always be open to question, but there is no question that he conspired and took the money. No one has ever claimed such a thing regarding Pete Rose, who has been accused of nothing more than betting on sports without a shred of hard evidence that he ever bet on a baseball game.

That's the crux of the matter. The beginning and end of all arguments that Rose bet on baseball come from the Dowd Report, which then-commissioner Bart Giamatti ordered in 1989. (The report is named for John Dowd, Giamatti's handpicked investigator.) This must have occurred to Alan Dershowitz, who, like so many lawyers who are passionate baseball fans, gets a little nuts on the topic of Pete Rose. On Thursday, Dershowitz got a little nuts with the writer Bill James, who has done more to point out the Dowd Report's fundamental flaws than anyone else.

Johnnie Cochran had already scored big when he coaxed James into testimony that called into question the prosecution's primary evidence:

JC: "And to the extent of relevance to these proceedings, can you describe that report for us and for this jury? What was in that Dowd Report?"

BJ: "The Dowd Report is a prosecutor's brief. It is my opinion that early on in the process of investigating the allegations against Pete Rose, Rose met with Dowd, and Rose told Dowd a number of lies. Dowd understandably became very angry, and he became convinced that Rose was guilty, and he wrote a prosecutor's brief intended to prove that Rose was guilty."

JC: "You've read that report, haven't you?"

BJ: "I have."

JC: "Now, there's never been any official finding by baseball that Pete Rose ever gambled on baseball. Is that correct?"

BJ: "That is correct."

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2003/07/the_people_v_charlie_hustle.html

Either way it doesn't change the fact he was one of the best all-time.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
4. Jim Palmer had a crush on my mom!
Mon May 25, 2015, 11:41 PM
May 2015

We lived in an apartment complex in nearby Towson where many of the O's players lived (back before free agency and the big buck$$$ ). She caught his eye. And she rejected him because she thought he was too young.

Probably just as well. Here's the call: "Here's the 1-1 to Carew from Palmer. Swung on and lined into right field, base hit. What's this? Some kid jumped off the top of the dugout and he's running out onto the field, and he's biting Rod Carew's leg! Good Lord, they're telling us it's Jim Palmer's stepson!"

El Supremo

(20,365 posts)
6. When he was a teenager, Palmer lived next to Janet Lee and Tony Curtis.
Wed May 27, 2015, 04:56 PM
May 2015

He said he could see Janet at her pool in her bathing suit. He didn't need any Playboy Magazines.

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