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Wed Jan 31, 2024, 10:00 PM Jan 2024

GM Went All In on EVs. Dealers Say Buyers Want Hybrids. - WSJ

Some influential dealers are pressing General Motors to introduce hybrid models, worried they risk losing customers who aren’t ready to make the switch to fully electric cars.

Dealers who serve on advisory committees to the automaker have urged executives in several recent meetings to add hybrids to GM’s lineup, according to people involved in the discussions. GM has focused on fully electric cars in recent years and largely bypassed hybrids, which pair an internal combustion engine with a small battery and electric motor to boost fuel efficiency.

The dealers said they expressed concern that more customers are looking for a middle ground between conventional gas-engine cars and EVs, which are more expensive and require regular charging. GM executives have acknowledged the dealers’ views but haven’t made any commitments to future hybrid options, the people said. Automakers often solicit input from dealers on vehicle planning but still typically keep the details of future models under wraps.


Across the industry, automakers have seen the pace of EV sales growth slow after a few years of intense consumer interest. Meanwhile, hybrids have taken off over the past year amid consumer reticence toward full electrics, turned off by higher prices and worries about getting stranded between charging stations. Many dealers and car executives see hybrids as an important choice on the spectrum between straight gas-powered cars and EVs.



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GM Went All In on EVs. Dealers Say Buyers Want Hybrids. - WSJ (Original Post) question everything Jan 2024 OP
Because range isn't there yet, and charging on the road is a pain in the but. marble falls Jan 2024 #1
Exactly. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2024 #2
Yep. I have an EV now but before I had 3 Prius's Kablooie Feb 2024 #7
Range is the no. 1 key word and Charging is no. 2...it takes too long. brush Jan 2024 #3
Batteries ain't cheap. nt Rincewind Feb 2024 #4
I live in an apartment Delphinus Feb 2024 #5
In California, landlords have to allow installation of EV chargers. Kablooie Feb 2024 #8
Seems like they could put a small APU motor to Emile Feb 2024 #6
Diesel electric trains are over a 100 years old. Series hybrid isn't all that new. Kennah Feb 2024 #9


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2. Exactly.
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 10:08 PM
Jan 2024

If you live in a city, and never go on a three hour drive, and EV is probably wonderful. If you can afford one. I can't. I'm horrified at the cost. I have always owned cars that don't cost a lot: VWs, Hondas, and a couple of Subarus which were by far the most pricey I ever had, and they were still not in the category of an EV.

And at that, I can afford a lot more than many people can.


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7. Yep. I have an EV now but before I had 3 Prius's
Mon Feb 5, 2024, 07:28 PM
Feb 2024

The Prius was great because of the mpg and long distances it could drive.

I bought a Tesla 3 years ago after my latest Prius was totaled.
It's great that I can start each day with a full charge but there is some planning needed if I want to take a long trip.

The Tesla charging network is what made it viable, I can drive just about anywhere, but you have to get re-charged at least once for a day trip. It's not hard but you don't want to find yourself with 10 minutes charge left and the nearest Tesla chargers 30 minutes away. The car warns you ahead of time and shows on the map where the nearest Tesla chargers are but if you don't plan, they may take you away from your expected route.

One smart thing Tesla did is put most of their chargers next to shopping or restaurants so you have something to do while you charge.

A good hybrid is an excellent alternative.


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3. Range is the no. 1 key word and Charging is no. 2...it takes too long.
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 11:26 PM
Jan 2024

I don't blame buyers for hedging their bets in preferring hybrids. Stranded in the middle of who knows where with an EV out of charge is visualization that scares buyers so it's either a hybrid or the lowest cost IC vehicle to bridge the gap until battery technology develops long-range products, or until the next vehicle technology comes along.

Hydrogen cell tech, what's taking so long?

And why are EVs so expensive, there are way fewer moving parts than with IC vehicles — no engine block with hundreds of moving parts, same with a transmission. Limited lube needs...not engine oil, transmission fliud?

Why are they more expensive?


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5. I live in an apartment
Fri Feb 2, 2024, 09:19 AM
Feb 2024

In the lot parking; small community. They will NOT be putting in charging stations for cars I can guarantee you that.


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8. In California, landlords have to allow installation of EV chargers.
Mon Feb 5, 2024, 07:37 PM
Feb 2024

The tenant must pay for the installation cost and the electricity can be added to their rent.


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6. Seems like they could put a small APU motor to
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 09:13 AM
Feb 2024

keep the battery charged. Trucking companies use these APU's on their tractors to keep their batteries charged, power the heat and air conditioning instead of idling the truck when the driver is in the sleeper. The auxiliary power units on trucks are a small one or two horse diesel engine mounted on the back side of the cab.

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