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Auggie

(31,167 posts)
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 06:37 AM Nov 2019

How do you slow down a QB like Lamar Jackson?

He releases the ball really quick, is mobile and runs well, and has an O-line that protects. No wonder Greg Roman was hired by the Ravens as OC -- John Harbaugh has recreated the Kaepernick 49ers (except that Jackson reads the field much better IMO).

Stack the box? The 49ers defense has the personnel to do this Week 13. We'll see.

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How do you slow down a QB like Lamar Jackson? (Original Post) Auggie Nov 2019 OP
You stop him the same way you stop ANY QB...pressure and hits on the QB Moostache Nov 2019 #1
Good points all. Blue_true Dec 2019 #12
Jackson is in rarefied air. no stopping him this year. Maybe next year when there's more tape. Kurt V. Nov 2019 #2
In a playoff game, even in Baltimore, I think Belichick will have a plan for him. nt Blue_true Dec 2019 #13
"mobile" quarterbacks have short careers rampartc Nov 2019 #3
Andrew Luck retired early JonLP24 Nov 2019 #6
Spot on -- I think we'll be seeing more QBs like Jackson and Murray Auggie Nov 2019 #7
If there is 1 defense that can stop him I think it is the 49ers JonLP24 Nov 2019 #8
S.F. lost another D lineman to injury Auggie Nov 2019 #9
The Refs allow questionable hits on them. At some point the rules will change, Blue_true Dec 2019 #14
at some point they must be considered to be running backs rampartc Dec 2019 #15
Your point is well taken. Richard Sherman made that same point yesterday. Blue_true Dec 2019 #19
Keep him off the field Bob Loblaw Nov 2019 #4
The problem is that defense exboyfil Nov 2019 #5
Paraphrasing Lefty Gomez.... Brother Buzz Nov 2019 #10
49ers were impressive in the loss to ravens rampartc Dec 2019 #16
Justin Tucker's 49 yard walk-off field goal in the driving rain Brother Buzz Dec 2019 #18
Defenses will likely start setting up the edge linebackers to spy on him, Blue_true Dec 2019 #11
I think the answer is a little paradoxical ... Auggie Dec 2019 #17
How do you catch a cloud and pin it down? bluedigger Dec 2019 #20

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
1. You stop him the same way you stop ANY QB...pressure and hits on the QB
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 06:47 AM
Nov 2019

The best examples of this?
New York Giants versus Tom Brady in Super Bowls.
Watch the 1985 Bears dominate Joe Theisman or Phil Simms or Joe Montana that year...or the Seahawks against Peyton Manning, the 2000 Ravens, history is rife with examples of how hitting ANY QB repeatedly gets the,m

The next best examples (for dealing with mobile QBs)?
Whatever was successful against Bobby Douglas, Fran Tarkenton, Michael Vick and Randall Cunningham...keep them in a collapsing pocket, force them to constantly make the correct reads and be patient...give up 6 yards but not 16 yards trying to be a hero. Do your job and depend on the other 10 men to do theirs.

If Bellicheck faces him again this year, I will bet the "way to stop Lamar" will be seen in the flesh...and if not, he'll lead the Ravens to another title!

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
12. Good points all.
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 01:07 AM
Dec 2019

If Belichick does face him again, that game could very well be in Baltimore.

On the hits on the QB, even if Jackson releases the ball quickly, Refs are going to allow defenses an extra step or two to hit him. The unfair practice seems to be commonplace with duo-threat QBs in the NFL and it sucks because they get injured like Newton has.

rampartc

(5,407 posts)
3. "mobile" quarterbacks have short careers
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 07:20 AM
Nov 2019

cam newton was the best of them for a few years.

I guess they are beaten with a 3/4 front but those front 3 have to be monsters. a "spy," a fast and strong linebacker can then concentrate, 1 on 1, on containing the qb.

meanwhile, the pocket masters like brady and brees last long enough to set career records.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
6. Andrew Luck retired early
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 10:04 AM
Nov 2019

So did Brock Osweiler.

Russell Wilson is still playing. I think Jackson & Kyler Murray are the future of the league. People have been doubting Jackson and he has been proving them wrong.

It is one thing to keep your eyes on the QB but they have an option attack.

Plus he can pass so focusing on stopping from running won't prevent open receivers which is why LJ is hard to stop.

On edit: do you think any ignorant GMs told Brady or Brees they should play receiver instead? Imagine what "mobile" QBs have to go through at lower levels.

Auggie

(31,167 posts)
7. Spot on -- I think we'll be seeing more QBs like Jackson and Murray
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 11:11 AM
Nov 2019

It's one thing to pressure the QB, and I thought the Rams did a decent enough job of that last night. But Jackson's quick release saved him over and over. They weren't all completions, but they weren't sacks either. And then there's that mobility factor. And the option attack you point out.

Jackson and Murray could be rare breeds BTW -- exceptional talents with a mindset for pro ball. If they stay healthy, with solid teams behind them, they'll redefine the position. Even ignorant GMs will have to take note.

Light rain and winds forecast for Baltimore area Sunday. Ravens/49ers will be an awesome game.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
8. If there is 1 defense that can stop him I think it is the 49ers
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 11:52 AM
Nov 2019

49ers lead the league in yards per pass attempt differential.

http://mule.he.net/~budsport/pub/killer.php

Auggie

(31,167 posts)
9. S.F. lost another D lineman to injury
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 12:49 PM
Nov 2019

Damontre Moore -- broken forearm vs Green Bay. Moore registered four quarterback hurries and a hit in 21 pass rushes. Moore was substituting for Ronald Blair, who was lost for the season with a torn ACL vs Seattle.

Dee Ford (DL) might be returning from his hamstring. You know, you could make a good argument to keep players nursing injuries from playing -- forfeit this game, essentially, so more are healthy for the Saints in Week 14. That game has bigger implications in home-field advantage for the playoffs than the AFC Ravens.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
14. The Refs allow questionable hits on them. At some point the rules will change,
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 01:14 AM
Dec 2019

because I think the future QBs in the NFL are going to be the mobile types. It can be argued that the four best QBs in the league this year are mobile QBs, Mahomes, Jackson, Watson, Wilson, I am sure that GMs are making note of that, those QBs extend plays. Soon the league will catchup and not allow defenses extra hits on them (it is all about the benjamins, top QBs bring more eyes to watch the games).

rampartc

(5,407 posts)
15. at some point they must be considered to be running backs
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 05:42 AM
Dec 2019

rather than defenseless passers. but, it is about the money.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
19. Your point is well taken. Richard Sherman made that same point yesterday.
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 07:42 PM
Dec 2019

His question was when should a defensive back take down a running QB near the sideline. QBs like Brady run then give up on a slide, but QBs like Watson, Jackson, Wilson, to a lesser extent Mahomes, can take it to the house running along a sideline, so they must be hit to prevent that. Sherman's point was that the rules on when a hit on a mobile QB running along a sideline goes over the line are not clear and that the league needs to clarify them.

Brother Buzz

(36,422 posts)
10. Paraphrasing Lefty Gomez....
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 07:08 PM
Nov 2019

"The 49ers need to get lucky rather than good".

My 49ers have three games coming down the pike that are going to be nail-bitters, and my Magic 8-Ball doesn't have a clue.

49ers 10-1
Ravens 9-2
Saints 9-2
Seahawks 9-2

rampartc

(5,407 posts)
16. 49ers were impressive in the loss to ravens
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 05:55 AM
Dec 2019

but there will not be any rain next week in the super dome.

the saints have still not played their best game this year. maybe we will see it vs 49ers.

winner should end up with home field advantage.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
11. Defenses will likely start setting up the edge linebackers to spy on him,
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 01:01 AM
Dec 2019

like was done with Cam Newton.

Auggie

(31,167 posts)
17. I think the answer is a little paradoxical ...
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 12:59 PM
Dec 2019

slow down their own defense ... just a little. 49ers were penetrating the O-line pretty consistently -- quick off the start and into the Ravens back field. They were so quick though that they failed to follow the ball and bit on the fake play actions, tackling the wrong ball handler. This happened many times.

Anyone else see that?

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