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Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 12:00 AM Jun 2012

EC 2012 predictions: Group D

This sport makes idiots of all prognosticators, but encouraged by the exactly-equal-to-chance nature of my earlier predictions, I'm going to add group D for completeness sake. I was also working with outdated squad information from uefa's website and therefore missed that Puyol was going to be missing for Spain and that Czeszny was Poland's number 1 keeper. As before, all corrections, etc, etc...

Group D contains the other host nation, Ukraine as well as Sweden, and will start off with the always interesting England - France.

Sweden

Sweden finished second to Holland in their qualifying campaign and managed a creditable victory over them. It should probably be mentioned that that match was a dead rubber for the Dutch at that stage. As best 2nd-place finisher (I really hate these mathematically ugly and - above all - unfair inter-group comparisons, btw), they qualified without having to play a play-off match. Managed by Erik Hamrén, Sweden are usually competent but rarely threaten to reach to final stages of the tournament. Of course, at the Euro's anything could happen. Keeper Andreas Isaksson has had an indifferent season at his club PSV, who threatened to replace him with Polish penalty-stopping hero Tyton, and he could be a weak spot. Up front, loveable nut and Karate-kicking psychopath Ibrahimovich is their one true world-class player. He's also a bit of a flat-track bully who tends to disappear in big matches, so you never quite know what to expect of him. Isaksson's PSV team mate, Toivonen is also a competent goal scorer.

Ukraine

As co-host, Ukraine did not have to qualify, and I find it difficult to assess their prospects. Home advantage will presumably help, but I don't even know how much the country will be behind them. Ukraine is really two countries: a Russian-speaking East and a Ukrainian-speaking west, who don't seem to particularly like each other. One likes to think a good cup run might help with that. Being a recently independent country, their international pedigree is understandably short, consisting only of a quarter final appearance at the 2006 WC, arrived at after a series of eyeball-bleedingly boring performances. As the team are managed again by the same man in charge then, Oleg Blokhin, this does not offer a lot of hope for scintillating football this time around. Oleg Blokhin stresses fitness and discipline over individual skill, which is odd, because it's completely opposite from his demeanor as a player. He was a tremendously gifted footballer from the great Dynamo Kiev sides of the 70's, who disguised his essential laziness by relying on his exceptional skills. Maybe it's the Lobonovsky influence. I know little about their current players, but I do have to wonder about their goal-scoring threat considering that Voronin and 78 year old Shevchenko are likely to feature up front.

England

England arrive at a major tournament with probably the lowest expectations ever. Frankly, that can only be a good thing. When expectations are high, a rabid tabloid press back home will do anything in their power to whip up frenzy at the slightest sign of weakness. Low Point: picture of Steve McLaren's children bearing the caption: 'These are the Children of a Loser'. It's no secret that the press corps wanted their mate Harry Redknapp to be the England manager and they are already restless after the appointment of Roy Hodgson. In fact, one can easily imagine the headlines if things come unstuck against France and Sweden: "Tewwible!", "Not Good Enough, Woy!", "Turnips vs Swedes... Again!", "Welease Woy! (from his contract)". Ahh, the joys of being an England manager, eh?

The squad is ravaged by injuries and suspensions. Lampard and Cahill are out with recent injuries, and Rooney is suspended for the first two matches (Stupid Boy!). Joe Hart is the undisputed number 1 keeper, which is refreshing after Capello's mishandling of the keeper position in South Africa, and John Terry is preferred in the back to Rio Ferdinand for 'purely footballing reasons'. Steven Gerrard, who has never quite replicated club form for country, is captain but the inclusion in midfield of his Liverpool team mate Stewart Downing is frankly puzzling. Up front, Andy Carroll is preferred to Peter Crouch, should a switch to 'hoof it to the big man' tactics be needed. Young Oxlade-Chamberlain might come off the bench, while it is hoped that Theo Walcott will up his usual '1 great game in 4' ratio.

France

Like Italy, France alternate between ignominious first round exits and threatening for the title. The rightly-disliked Domenech is gone, replaced by Laurent Blanc for the manager position. He's got a squad of big names at his disposal: Lloris in goal, Evra, Mexes, Debuchy in back, Perpetually-scowling Ribery, Nasri and Malouda in the middle and Benzema up front. With players like that, it seems France ought to be a shoe-in to win the group, but then you never do know with France, do you?

Predictions:

June 11

England - France 0-0. An oddly-subdued game which will leave neither side terribly disappointed. England fans singing the theme from 'The Great Escape' give it up as a bad job late in the game, and opt for jeering instead.
Ukraine - Sweden 1-1. A sea of yellow and blue in the stands, but which are the Swedes and which are the Ukrainians? Not too exciting, but hey, 2 goals.

June 15

Sweden - England 0-0. Oh, dear me. In the second half, England switch to 'hoof-it-to-the-big-man' tactics, but Swedes grew up watching English football, and have seen that one before. Hodgson is seen vigorously rubbing his face, and the sound of the English press corps sharpening their skewering knives can be heard shortly after kick-off.
Ukraine - France 1-1. Doesn't anybody want to win this group? Jungle noises can distinctly be heard among Ukrainian fans, but EUFA officials pretend not to notice.

June 19

Ukraine - England 1-3. Do or die time for England, but Rooney is back from his ban and, like an over-eager racehorse, he comes running out of the gate full of vim & vigour and farting sparks. He'll either be sent off or score a hattrick. Fortunately for Roy Hodgson and England, it's the latter and England finally break their scoring duck. While English journo's try to think of variations on the headline 'Roontastic!', Ukrainian fans decide a good riot might be fun.
France - Sweden 1-0. An 82d minute goal by Ribery breaks Swedish hearts and sends France through.

Standings

England 3 1 2 0 5 3-1
France 3 1 2 0 5 2-1
Sweden 3 0 2 1 2 1-2
Ukraine 3 0 2 1 2 1-3

England and France qualify

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EC 2012 predictions: Group D (Original Post) Ron Obvious Jun 2012 OP
As long as England beats France, I'll be happy. OswegoAtheist Jun 2012 #1
England 1 - France 1 BlueCollar Jun 2012 #2
Dreadful... Ron Obvious Jun 2012 #3
After watching Ukraine - Sweden BlueCollar Jun 2012 #4
What surprised me.... Ron Obvious Jun 2012 #5
I see your point BlueCollar Jun 2012 #6
England win the group... oldironside Jun 2012 #7
I watched Sweden v France last night.... T_i_B Jun 2012 #8
I saw some highlights of the France game last night... oldironside Jun 2012 #9
1st international tournament I can remember was 1988 European Championships T_i_B Jun 2012 #10
The stats look bad. oldironside Jun 2012 #11
We didn't play Ireland in 1992 T_i_B Jun 2012 #13
My bad. oldironside Jun 2012 #14
Felt bad for Sweden because they very well could have won the group Marooned Jun 2012 #12
Spam deleted by Warren DeMontague (MIR Team) crazymana11 Sep 2012 #15

BlueCollar

(3,859 posts)
2. England 1 - France 1
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 02:07 PM
Jun 2012

Watching England today was like chewing aluminium foil and rubbing one's head with a cheesegrater.

If this is what we can expect from Hodgson's reign it will be an early exit for England.

Hart was very lucky in goal, Cole looked horrible in the left back role and Milner didn't seem to have any effect in the middle.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
3. Dreadful...
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 02:41 PM
Jun 2012

Agreed, dreadful game, soon to be forgotten. As you often see in games like this, with the two favourites of the group meeting first, as the game wears on, a draw will look pretty good to both sides.

On paper this is a decent point, all things considered.

BlueCollar

(3,859 posts)
4. After watching Ukraine - Sweden
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 09:23 AM
Jun 2012

I'm inclined to think Ukraine are a better team than either France or England. France are good but either Sweden or Ukraine could beat them IMO.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
5. What surprised me....
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 11:41 AM
Jun 2012

What surprised me is how much was I cheering for Ukraine and Sheva.... He always was a gentleman and I'm happy for him, but I'm not convinced they'll finish ahead of France or England.

BlueCollar

(3,859 posts)
6. I see your point
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 05:42 AM
Jun 2012

but if England play the way they did in their next two matches they're done. As for France, take out Ribery and mark Nasri to death...I think the group is decided on points with Ukraine and Seden edging France and England.

T_i_B

(14,749 posts)
8. I watched Sweden v France last night....
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 07:03 AM
Jun 2012

France weren't at the races, so now England play Italy whereas France have to work out a way of getting the ball of Spain.

oldironside

(1,248 posts)
9. I saw some highlights of the France game last night...
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 07:40 AM
Jun 2012

... and they looked pretty awful. Sweden, on the other hand, looked liberated.

A couple of (German) colleagues told me this morning they think England vs Italy could go either way, but that they're worried the Greeks will kick lumps off them so they find themselves in a semi final with half a team. Now, there's a thought to make even the most cautious of Englishman optimistic...

Still, kudos to Mr H. If you'd told me ten days ago we would win the group by 3 points I would simply have not believed it. If anyone tries to belittle this achievement, just point them in the direction of some videos of the 1992 group games.

All in all it's turning out to be a pretty good tournament. No 0-0 so far, some decent games, some decent goals, enough surprises.

T_i_B

(14,749 posts)
10. 1st international tournament I can remember was 1988 European Championships
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 07:57 AM
Jun 2012

Now that was bad for England. 3 games, 3 defeats and Marco Van Basten's hat-trick.

oldironside

(1,248 posts)
11. The stats look bad.
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 08:48 AM
Jun 2012

Particularly because we cruised our qualifying group and were the tournament favourites. Yes, we were shit against the Irish. However, England were on top of Holland for a good half an hour in the second game at 1-1 and Glenda hit the post. There was no shame in getting undone by van Basten in his pomp. To me they looked like a decent outfit with things running against them. Oh, and the European club ban didn't help...

In Euro 92 they were beyond dire. Dreadful against the French, dreadful against the Irish and dreadful against Sweden. Shapeless, directionless, hopeless. The footballing equivalent of being stuck in the Sargasso Sea. If you want a flavour of it...


For anyone who hasn't seen it, this deals with the qualifying group for USA 94, but the feeling is the same.

I'm going to listen to some happy music now to wash away the memories.

T_i_B

(14,749 posts)
13. We didn't play Ireland in 1992
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 07:05 AM
Jun 2012

We drew against the eventual champions Denmark instead. I'm sure your German collegues remember Peter Schmeichel's performance in the final that year.

 

Marooned

(79 posts)
12. Felt bad for Sweden because they very well could have won the group
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 02:58 AM
Jun 2012

Their own fault with some of the mistakes they made. Guess I just miss the idea of seeing Zlatan play
a another game.

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