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Related: About this forumAtheist Nate Phelps on his father: I mourn ‘the man he could have been’
By Kimberly Winston | Religion News Service, Updated: Friday, March 21, 1:51 PM
Nathan Phelps, the estranged atheist son of anti-gay Kansas pastor Fred Phelps who died Wednesday (March 19), is asking people to look beyond his fathers legacy of hate.
I ask this of everyone, the younger Phelps said in a statement issued Thursday about his fathers death at age 84. Let his death mean something. Let every mention of his name and of his church be a constant reminder of the tremendous good we are all capable of doing in our communities.
The younger Phelps, who is 55 and goes by Nate, is one of four of Fred Phelps 13 children who renounced their fathers activities, which included picketing the funerals of veterans, AIDS victims and celebrities and left his Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kan. The church of approximately 40 members of the Phelps clan is best known for its public protests and colorful signs declaring, God hates fags.
Unfortunately, Freds ideas have not died with him, but live on, Nate Phelps statement reads. Not just among the members of Westboro Baptist Church, but among the many communities and small minds that refuse to recognize the equality and humanity of our brothers and sisters on this small planet we share.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/atheist-nate-phelps-on-his-father-i-mourn-the-man-he-could-have-been/2014/03/21/647e9156-b121-11e3-b8b3-44b1d1cd4c1f_story.html
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)How did your father explain that to you? That you were one of Gods chosen ones and yet he could mistreat you?
He was able to justify using verses out of the Bible. That was a major criteria for him. If he could find an excuse for it, then it was OK to do it, because God gave him permission. As far as how he justified the idea that we were different from the rest of the world, he made much of the ideas that he found in the Bible about the nature of what God expected of us, that extreme Calvinist ideology that is at the cornerstone of their campaign. The fact that other groups had it wrong or got this or that doctrine wrong was proof that God didnt find favor with them.
As far as the physical violence, thats a fairly common idea that exists in fundamentalist Christianity, that the husband is the head of the house and has absolute authority and has the right to bring his wife and children into submission if they arent.
Did he use his belt or a cane, what was his ?
When we were younger it was a barber strap. That thing got so shredded at the ends that it would wrap around the sides of our legs and tear the skin. It was kind of like a cat o nine tails. When I was about 8 or 9 he introduced us to a mattock handle, which is a farming instrument or tool that you use to pull up roots, and its got an axe head on one end and a hoe head on the other end. Its big. You know, take a baseball bat, add maybe 30 percent to that.
What, hed have you bend over a chair or what did he do?
Yeah, and then he would beat us anywhere from the lower part of our back down to behind our knees and he swung it hard, he swung it like a baseball bat. And oftentimes what would happen is there would be eight or 10 strokes and then he would go into a 10- or 15-minute screaming session with what we were doing wrong and how it was defying God and that we were evil. You know all of these religious-based threats and insults to the children and then hed go back to the beating and by then the skin has stretched tight from the damage. So the next blows would just split the skin and so youd get blood.
Would your father choose to do this in front of your other brothers and sisters?
No, it was very public. It couldnt help but be public because there was so much noise and ranting, everybody in the house knew that he was on a tear. And sometimes when it got really bad my mom would try to intervene and then he would go after her and beat her for that. He used all of these strategies that appeared to be very deliberate. He required the older boys to start administering the beatings themselves, and if they didnt do it properly then they would get beat from him because they werent hitting hard enough or doing it as he would do it. And that was kind of a pattern he used even with the passing on of the message that he taught. He didnt just settle for making sure we knew it. He required us to present it the way he did.
http://wunc.org/post/it-will-look-profoundly-different-when-my-father-dies-nate-phelps-son-westboro-church-founder
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I thought I had it bad.
That is utterly inhumane.