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Related: About this forumExamining the Growth of the ‘Spiritual but Not Religious’
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/19/us/examining-the-growth-of-the-spiritual-but-not-religious.htmlFrom left, Rev. Lillian Daniel, Linda A. Mercadante, who teaches at the Methodist Theological School in Ohio, and Courtney Bender, who teaches at Columbia University. Credit From left, Susan Edwards; Brooke LaValley/The Columbus Dispatch and Solomon Dworkin
JULY 18, 2014
By MARK OPPENHEIMER
Spiritual but not religious. So many Americans describe their belief system this way that pollsters now give the phrase its own category on questionnaires. In the 2012 survey by the Pew Religion and Public Life Project, nearly a fifth of those polled said that they were not religiously affiliated and nearly 37 percent of that group said they were spiritual but not religious. It was 7 percent of all Americans, a bigger group than atheists, and way bigger than Jews, Muslims or Episcopalians.
Unsurprisingly, the S.B.N.R.s, as this growing group is often called, are attracting a lot of attention. Four recent books offer perspectives on these Americans who seem to want some connection to the divine, but who dont feel affiliated with traditional religion. Theres the minister who wants to woo them, two scholars who want to understand them and the psychotherapist who wants to help them.
The Rev. Lillian Daniels book When Spiritual But Not Religious Is Not Enough (Jericho, 2013) began as a short essay for The Huffington Post, in which she voiced her exasperation with the predictability that she found in spiritual but not religious people.
On airplanes, Ms. Daniel wrote in the essay, in 2011, I dread the conversation with the person who finds out I am a minister and wants to use the flight time to explain to me that he is spiritual but not religious. Such a person will always share this as if it is some kind of daring insight, unique to him, bold in its rebellion against the religious status quo. Before you know it, hes telling me that he finds God in the sunsets.
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WhiteTara
(29,704 posts)God be outside?
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Tyrs WolfDaemon
(2,289 posts)But if he is in nothing, then perhaps he does not exist.
Of course, if he IS the nothing, then perhaps he seeks to consume the everything. That would mean that all religions are meant to attempt to appease him in hopes of surviving another day.
Now, if god is in everything, is he in himself? Does god have a little inner 'god' voice that helps him out when he has a problem?
Great, I already had a migraine and now I can't stop thinking about this.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)I can understand why you have a migraine.
DocwillCuNow
(162 posts)pinto
(106,886 posts)He was brought up Catholic and worked for years on the stage in New York. Though he had long left the Catholic church to his childhood, he saw a correlation of sorts.
The Catholic mass is essentially always the same format. The words, the structure, the litany is always the same, week in week out.
A play is essentially always the same format. The lines, the entrances and exits are always the same day after day.
The challenge, he said, was to make each event real. Give it a presence, a heart and a life. Make it present, not merely a recitation of words written decades or centuries ago.
He found a spirituality in that. Said many other actors did as well, in their own ways. Regardless of any religious or lack of religious background. The main difference - there was no priest or leader or dogmatic background. Actors and audiences were all celebrants in it together.
He made the comments with an Irish nod and a wink but I'm sure he meant it. I had never thought of any connection. It was an interesting conversation.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)I'm not sure there is no priest or leader or dogmatic behavior. I think theater is very hierarchical and very full of ritual.
I just returned from Rome, where I came to a greater understanding of why so many there are religious. The people drive as if they believe they will go to heaven any minute, lol.
pinto
(106,886 posts)Good point about the theater - it is very hierarchical. I've been backstage a few times to wait for my uncle to change before we went out to a late dinner and even there it was obvious. The leads had private dressing rooms just offstage. The rest of the cast, a common room down a narrow hallway.
Ritual was part of my uncle's take on the theater, I think. Common among religion and the stage.
Enjoy Italy! Mangia!
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Our host, who was born in raised in the city, took us to some amazing restaurants. Just local, neighborhood kinds of places, but with amazing food.
Rome is like being at the theater. You would love it!
Htom Sirveaux
(1,242 posts)In other words, their self-image makes them think, I dont need history, I dont need the past, Dr. Bender said, adding that they think, I am not religious, which is about the past I am spiritual, about the present.
In some ways, this portrayal is the opposite of how reactionary religious groups act. They try as hard as they can to create an image of eternal continuity, even as they silently shift to continue engaging with changing culture. But as described here, SBNRs are wanting continual newness through ideas and practices that have deep cultural roots.