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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/12/religion-humanism-atheismOrganised humanism has unified beliefs and practices and the worlds most sentimental hymn: John Lennons Imagine
Andrew Brown
theguardian.com, Tuesday 12 August 2014 08.00 BST
'Gululai Ismail has set up networks to spread ideas of human rights and peace in some of the most lawless and dangerous parts of Pakistan.' Photograph: Martin Godwin
The World Humanist Conference in Oxford at the weekend struck me as a completely religious gathering, even though it is predicated on atheism. If it hadnt been for the words of the sermons, we might have been at any Protestant missionary society.
Part of this was the architecture. The old parts of Oxford University date from the time when there was no clear distinction between religion and society, and most of them now have a faintly sacerdotal air. Part of it was the people: lots of beards, formidable middle-aged women and younger gay men. Everyone was united and sharing in a sense of relief at being in a safe space where what was important to them was no longer strange or dangerous. But there was much more than that. We heard un-sermons, listened to choirs singing un-hymns, and applauded un-mission partners whose heroism and suffering were an inspiration to those of us in comfortable England.
This isnt entirely flippant. The heroism and the suffering were entirely real, and so was the inspiration drawn from them. There are many parts of the world where secularists and atheists are persecuted even to the point of death quite as much as members of the wrong religion are. I talked to one man, from a Middle Eastern country that is widely regarded as on our side, who said in an entirely matter of fact way that if he were quoted by name he would be signing his death warrant.
I talked, too, to half the atheist population of Gambia a cheerful former communist who reckoned that all but one of the other humanists in his group were secret believers who just signed up for humanism because they thought science was cool. More seriously, there was an anguished NGO worker from Nigeria who dared not talk about his beliefs because he thought that this would damage the credibility and effectiveness of the agency he worked for.
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MADem
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cbayer
(146,218 posts)But I think that is a positive move. I know there is a lot of resistance to making atheism into a religion, but there is also a good argument for giving humanists and other non-theists equal standing.
djean111
(14,255 posts)That's because the very idea is bizarre, and an attempt to fold atheism into religion.
Just my opinion, but I see attempts to do that as vague proselytizing.
"Equal standing?" You mean you believe humanists and other non-theists think of themselves as lesser? Really?
Equal standing for tax breaks?
cbayer
(146,218 posts)But the language generally associated with religion is now being used to describe various aspects of organized atheism.
We will need a new nomenclature if we want to make a clear distinction.
I don't think it is an attempt to fold atheism into religion, but to recognize that certain aspects of organized non-belief are similar in some ways to organized belief.
I can't see how that is anything like proselytizing. Perhaps you could expand.
At any rate, some organizations have filed suits asking for "equal standing". And some courts have said that as organizations they are entitled to the same things as religious organizations, including the parsonage exemption.
I don't think of humanists and other non-theists think of themselves as lesser at all. Not sure where you would get that idea.
safeinOhio
(32,675 posts)Welcome to Ethical Culture
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I think one may put humans and science before god or gods without being anti religious, that is for me, not looking for an argument with religious communities. I like the term of "embrace the diversity" and "celebrating lifes joys" with out looking for a battle with theist.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)their activities.
Most humanists I have met and talked to are not at all anti-religious, they just aren't religious themselves. There are, however, some notable exceptions to this, and that's unfortunate.
I'm totally with you on embracing diversity and celebrating life's joys. In the end, we are all cut from the same cloth and there is no reason to battle theists or atheists just for their belief or lack thereof.