Pope Ousts Top Vatican Judge Known For Incendiary Anti-Gay Comments (New Civil Rights Movement)

[pinto]

Breaking: Pope Ousts Top Vatican Judge Known For Incendiary Anti-Gay Comments

by Timmian Massie
October 17, 2014 7:45 PM

American Cardinal Raymond Burke, a darling of conservative Catholics who is virulently anti-gay, has confirmed to BuzzFeed what rumors from Rome have said for weeks. He will be demoted by Pope Francis from the head of the Roman Catholic Church's version of the Supreme Court to a figurehead role as the Patron of the Knights of Malta, a chivalrous order known for its work among the sick.

This is not the first demotion for Burke, who was dropped by Francis almost a year ago from an important Vatican bureau that selects bishops around the world. Burke was replaced on The Congregation for Bishops by Cardinal Donald Wuerl of Washington, D.C., who, while also conservative, does not use the inflammatory rhetoric that has made Burke a favorite of the far-right in the Catholic Church.

Burke recently told an interviewer that legally-married gay and lesbian family members should be shunned from family celebrations during the upcoming holidays, asking “what would it mean to grandchildren to have present at a family gathering a family member who is living [in] a disordered relationship with another person?”

Burke's strong criticism of a preliminary document that included more inclusive welcoming of LGBT community members in the life of the Church and his challenge to Francis, who is seen to have had a hand in the drafting of the document, were apparently the last straw for the Pope.

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/tcmassie/breaking_pope_ousts_top_vatican_judge_after_incendiary_anti_gay_comments

[blm]

1. Excellent move.

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[pinto]

2. Agree. I think it's a hint of a tug-of-war going on in the Vatican monolith.

What effective change it may mean, we'll see. I'd like to see Francis remove more of these holdovers from the reactionary appointments made by John Paul II and/or Benedict.

[cbayer]

3. Good. I hope that is the first of many "demotions".

The conservatives are going to go bonkers.

[pinto]

5. I wonder what's going through the minds of Justice Scalia and his Opus Dei buddies.

[cbayer]

6. Nothing good, I feel pretty certain.

[skepticscott]

4. All of the Catholic hierarchy are virulently, adamantly anti-gay

or they wouldn't be where they are. Some are just more vocal and shameless about it than others. PR and not decency dictates that one of them be shunted aside every so often.

[hrmjustin]

7. I would like to see the Vatican accept all of the mandatory resignations of bishops and replace them

with more inclusive and progressive clergy.

[pinto]

8. Or float the idea of "early retirement".

[hrmjustin]

10. Yes that as well but I doubt the conservatives would go so easily.

[mr blur]

9. Blank Frank keeps them guessing, Judge takes one for the team

Business as usual, nothing new here.

[pinto]

11. I'm missing your point, I think. Almost but not quite.

I get your business as usual comment, i.e. it's pro forma PR. Is that it?

[cbayer]

12. What does Blank Frank mean?

[edhopper]

15. Pope Francis

[cbayer]

16. I figure that, but what does it mean?

Is it just a made up silly name or does it have some other meaning.

The only thing I can find for it is a really bad song by Brian Eno.

[edhopper]

17. That

I don't know, sorry.

[cbayer]

19. Well, that's why I was asking the person that said it.

[edhopper]

20. Yeah got that

hope he answers.

[rug]

25. I'm still trying to figure out what mr blur means.

[DreamGypsy]

26. Hmmmm. Perhaps a musical connection between Mr. Blur and Blank Frank???????

Mr. Blur by Tom Verlaine:

I see you impersonate
A fire on the walkout
It's a wonderful performance
Really it is
How you remind me...
It's the pattern on your blouse
It's really so funny
It gets me so aroused
Very very cordially yours
(say, what you in for?)
Very most sincerely yours
Signed Mr Blur
Locked up fifteen times
Everyday
Just because I have to
In every way
Walk out of the walkout
It's really so funny!!!
Put on your clothes
Stop jumpin on my head
Very most sincerely yours,
Signed Mr Blur

Blank Frank by Brian Eno and Robert Fripp:

Blank Frank is the messenger of your doom and your construction
Yes, he is the one who will set you up as nothing
And he is the one who will look at you sideways
His particular skill is leaving bombs in people's driveways

Blank Frank has a memory that's as cold as an iceberg
The only time he speaks is in incomprehensible proverbs
Blank Frank is the siren, he's the air-raid, he's the crater
He's on the menu, on the table, he's the knife and he's the waiter

Hmmm, again. Doesn't seem a particularly apt characterization of Pope Francis, enigma though he may be.

Well, maybe just a coincidence.

[cbayer]

29. Yes, yes. When I meditate upon this , I see the connection and the meaning becomes clear.

Perhaps if we play them while watching the Wizard of Oz backwards, the true secrets will be revealed to us.

[DreamGypsy]

30. You've watched it that way too?

I love the scene where the house lands in a field and is surrounded by a hoard of Brownbacks...



...and Dorothy whispers "Toto, I don't think we're in OZ anymore."

[rug]

32. You may be on to something.

[cbayer]

28. Did you listen to the Brian Eno song?

I got through about 2 minutes of it, but I couldn't see the connection.

[edhopper]

21. I'd like to know

what that nickname means as well?

I don't care that you use a sarcastic moniker for the Pope, just curious.

[nakocal]

13. Cardinal Raymond Burke is NOT a Christian

And church leader who puts hatred of gays and dislike of abortion above helping the sick, the poor, the elderly, children, the abused, etc is NOT a follower of the teachings of Jesus Christ and therefore cannot be a Christian.

[edhopper]

14. No true Scotsman eh?

Sorry, but he resembles millions of Christians. A majority of the born again fundamentalist here as a matter of fact.
And seeing the latest walk back on Gays from the Vatican, the rest of them might not be as hateful in their speech, but they sure agree with his views.

Yes there are many other Christians who have no problem with Homosexuality, but to say he isn't a Christian is ignoring the facts.

[cbayer]

18. Welcome to the religion group nakocal.

While I agree that he does not exemplify what I think of as a christian, he is technically a christian. As edhopper points out, there are far too many people who are wearing the label but not following the teachings of Jesus, imo.

That's why I think it's important to make distinctions between groups based on their actions and positions and not just on their labels.

[beam me up scottie]

22. So no one who does anything hateful isn't a christian?

How many christians would be left if that were really true?

[skepticscott]

23. And is anyone who considers homosexuals "disordered"

or willingly belongs to and supports an organization that does a "Christian"?

Answer carefully.

[okasha]

24. Lordy, Lordy, Missus Cordy.

THAT didn't take long!



Get your popcorn while supplies last.

[goldent]

27. Good news. More progress.

I hope our Pope will have a long and vigorous life. We need him.

[demosincebirth]

31. Good news.