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beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 06:07 PM Oct 2014

Breaking: Pope believes in evolution!

Pope Benedict 'believes in evolution'
Last updated at 15:31 12 April 2007

Pope Benedict has aired his views on evolution for the first time - and says he partially believes Darwin's theories.

The Pontiff said science had narrowed the way life's origins are understood and said Christians should take a broader approach to the question.

However, he did not adopt a strictly scientific view of the origins if life, believing instead that God created life through evolution.

He said he "would not depend on faith alone to explain the whole picture".

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-447930/Pope-Benedict-believes-evolution.html




Evolution Is 'More Than Just a Theory,' Pope Declares
October 25, 1996|LAURIE GOODSTEIN | THE WASHINGTON POST

Pope John Paul II issued a statement this week saying new research shows that physical evolution is "more than just a theory," a significant step beyond the Catholic Church's pronouncement nearly 50 years ago that evolution was worthy of discussion but still an open question.

The pope nevertheless said the human soul is divinely created anew in each person, and not subject to the evolutionary process. Any other teaching, he said, is "incompatible with the truth about man."

His statement is not likely to shake many in his own church, which has long assumed the credibility of evolution and taught it in Catholic schools. But it may rattle some non-Catholic biblical fundamentalists who believe in creationism and have respected this pope for his traditionalist reputation.

The pope's message was made public Wednesday at the annual meeting of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, a group of eminent scholars--many of them Nobel Prize winners and non-Catholics--who meet annually at the Vatican to advise the church on scientific affairs. Their topic for this meeting was the origin of life and evolution.

http://articles.latimes.com/1996-10-25/news/mn-57404_1_evolutionary-theory



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Breaking: Pope believes in evolution! (Original Post) beam me up scottie Oct 2014 OP
Heretical flirting. littlemissmartypants Oct 2014 #1
Breaking News in 1950. rug Oct 2014 #2
Yes, I know that. beam me up scottie Oct 2014 #18
This is not new. This is what I learn in cathechism (first generation after Vatican II) Mass Oct 2014 #3
The church is evolving. It has always been evolving. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #4
So the Pope wants the science and wants to eat it too? JDDavis Oct 2014 #5
Oh! The pope wants to eat science? hrmjustin Oct 2014 #6
Actually he just wants us to think he's pro-science. beam me up scottie Oct 2014 #7
I don't see the pope light on science. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #8
Of course you don't. beam me up scottie Oct 2014 #9
BWAHAHAHAHA. littlemissmartypants Oct 2014 #10
The Hello Cthulhu gif was created to lure children to The Cult. beam me up scottie Oct 2014 #16
No, he doesn't. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2014 #11
Wrong pope ;) beam me up scottie Oct 2014 #14
In the words of a wise man... Act_of_Reparation Oct 2014 #25
LOL! beam me up scottie Oct 2014 #28
Actually, this means nothing. It's still "God did it" mr blur Oct 2014 #12
"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind struggle4progress Oct 2014 #13
It means too many DUers are gullible. beam me up scottie Oct 2014 #15
Hey, they hired the best straight from FOX News. n/t trotsky Oct 2014 #17
You never have explained what the "blank frank" means. cbayer Oct 2014 #29
Breaking: no they don't (whatever Pope you want to refer to) gcomeau Oct 2014 #19
Science and religion are perfectly compatible! trotsky Oct 2014 #20
You're missing the point. beam me up scottie Oct 2014 #21
Ah gcomeau Oct 2014 #22
My fault. beam me up scottie Oct 2014 #23
Oh I was familiar with it, gcomeau Oct 2014 #24
What's the BFD? Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #26
IDFK. That's the reason for the op. beam me up scottie Oct 2014 #27

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
18. Yes, I know that.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 04:12 PM
Oct 2014

A few posters tried to point it out in GD but were drowned out by the adulation from people who seem to think Francis is some sort of courageous rogue.

That's why I posted a 7 year old headline about the previous pope.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
4. The church is evolving. It has always been evolving.
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 06:26 PM
Oct 2014

Not a member of the HRCC, but they have their good days and their bad days.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
7. Actually he just wants us to think he's pro-science.
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 06:37 PM
Oct 2014

He's actually more of a Diet Science Lite kind of guy.


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
16. The Hello Cthulhu gif was created to lure children to The Cult.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 04:01 PM
Oct 2014

Where they are indoctrinated and brainwashed like the rest of us.




Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
11. No, he doesn't.
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 11:14 PM
Oct 2014
This is what Frankie said:


“When we read about creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so,” Francis said. “He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfillment.”


Frankie doesn't accept evolution, he just denies less of it than the other guys.



beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
14. Wrong pope ;)
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:47 PM
Oct 2014

I was referring to the 2007 headline Pope Benedict 'believes in evolution'.

But you're right, none of them are "evolutionists" as we're referred to in my part of the world.



I was trying to point out that even if Francis did accept evolution he's not the first pope to make the claim.

And that DUers who swoon over everything the guy says are acting more like Taylor Swift fans than informed liberals.


100+ recs for the GD thread, really?

struggle4progress

(118,282 posts)
13. "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 05:52 PM
Oct 2014

at the same time and still retain the ability to function"

F. Scott Fitzgerald

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
15. It means too many DUers are gullible.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:56 PM
Oct 2014

If this guy farted in an elevator and the media said it smelled like like lilacs they would line up to buy it in bottled form.

The Vatican hired strategists to help them create a rockstar and boy did they ever get their money's worth.

 

gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
19. Breaking: no they don't (whatever Pope you want to refer to)
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 04:29 PM
Oct 2014

They believe in Intelligent Design, and call it believing evolution to appear to be reasonably accepting basic scientific realities even while rejecting science.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
20. Science and religion are perfectly compatible!
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 04:33 PM
Oct 2014

You can reject the bits of science you don't like, and accept all the religion you want, and that's fine!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
21. You're missing the point.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 04:35 PM
Oct 2014

The illusion of a New And Improved Pope® created by the Vatican and constantly promoted on DU needs to be shown for what it is: brilliant pr and nothing else.

Maybe I should have been more clear in the op.

 

gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
22. Ah
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 04:36 PM
Oct 2014

I was reading that more as a "Look, the Catholic church has always been soooooo pro-science! Stop acting like this is new" kind of Op. But I did read it pretty quick... my bad.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
23. My fault.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 04:48 PM
Oct 2014

I forgot that not everyone is familiar with The Pope's New Clothes pr campaign debate in R/S.

And yeah, the whole 'our creation theory is more scientific than their creation theory' argument is idiotic.

Francis is still claiming his god created humans.

 

gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
24. Oh I was familiar with it,
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 04:52 PM
Oct 2014

Just didn't pick up on the fact that you were highlighting it rather than saying something else. It's clearer on the second read-through now though.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
26. What's the BFD?
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:34 PM
Oct 2014

Fr. Pierre Tielhard de Chardin, a Jesuit priest, was one of the discoverers of Peking Man in the 1920's, and a leading evolutionary theorist. (He also got sucked in by the Piltdown hoax, but then so did a whole generation of physical anthropologists.)

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
27. IDFK. That's the reason for the op.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:44 PM
Oct 2014

Perhaps you should ask the media and/or the posters on DU who are acting like Francis invented it.




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