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(82,333 posts)
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 08:37 AM Apr 2012

Guilty of Insulting Islam*

* This is the headline from frontpage.com, a conservative site. Nevertheless, they've gone to the trouble of presenting a supportive interview with Ernest Perce, a/k/a "Zombie Mohammed", one of the Parading Atheists of Central Pennsylvania of recent fame. Apparently the rightwing is shameless about coopting any ideology, religious or irreligious, to advance its agenda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FrontPage_Magazine

Here is Ernie's youtube video of the event.



Last October, Ernest Perce was marching in a Halloween parade in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, dressed up as a zombie version of the prophet Mohammed when he was physically confronted by Talaag Elbayomy, a Muslim immigrant who found his costume offensive. According to Perce, Elbayomy grabbed him, chocked him, and then tried to rip off the “Mohammed of Islam” sign that Pence wore around his neck. Elbayomy later admitted to a police officer on the scene that he had tried to grab the sign, believing that it was a crime in the United States to insult Mohammed. But when Pence brought criminal harassment charges against Elbayomy, the district judge, Judge Mark Martin, dismissed the case. More outrageously, he proceeded to lecture Perce in a stunningly ignorant fashion about his rights under the First Amendment. After claiming that the First Amendment was intended “so that we could speak what’s on our mind, not to piss off other people and cultures,” and informing Perce that in Muslim countries causing such offense to Islam “could be punished by death, and frequently is,” the judge in effect blamed Pence rather than his attacker. “You are way outside your bounds of First Amendment rights,” the judge concluded. Since then, the judge’s comments (which he does not deny making) have touched off a national firestorm of criticism and controversy. Perce, the Pennsylvania state director of American Atheists, joined Front Page to discuss his legal ordeal, the threat to free speech in the U.S., and the explosive reaction to the case.

FP: What message or messages do you think were sent by the judge’s decision to dismiss your case – and especially by his decision to chastise for you giving offense to Muslims?

EP: In my opinion, the message sent by the judge is that Muslims now have the absolute right to defend their religious beliefs, even if by means of force.

FP: In the course of berating you, the judge claimed that the American Founders did not mean for the First Amendment to be used to give offence but rather to speak one’s mind. Among other problems, that would seem to be a contradiction, since speaking one’s mind is liable to give offence. What did you make of his reasoning in this regard?

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/04/20/guilty-of-insulting-islam/

Like a true zombie, this story shuffles on and on, slowly and inexorably.
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Guilty of Insulting Islam* (Original Post) rug Apr 2012 OP
... Judge Mark Martin said there wasn't enough evidence to convict 46-year-old Talaag Elbayomy struggle4progress Apr 2012 #1
So, as I said back in October: struggle4progress Apr 2012 #2
You make a good point. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #5
But "what's on our minds" just MIGHT piss somebody off. BiggJawn Apr 2012 #3
Some religions are more equal than others. obliviously Apr 2012 #4

struggle4progress

(118,282 posts)
1. ... Judge Mark Martin said there wasn't enough evidence to convict 46-year-old Talaag Elbayomy
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 09:39 AM
Apr 2012

of the summary offense. It was basically one man's word against another's, the judge said ...
West Shore judge dismisses harassment charge against accused 'Zombie Muhammad' attacker
Published: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 2:39 PM
Updated: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 2:44 PM
By MATTHEW KEMENY, The Patriot-News
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/02/west_shore_judge_dismisses_har.html

... Citing a lack of admissible evidence, Cumberland County Magisterial District Judge Mark Martin dismissed harassment charges against Talaag Elbayomy ... Perce, a member of the "Parading Atheists of Central PA," filed a complaint with police alleging that Elbayomy attacked him ... Elbayomy in turn filed a complaint with police alleging that Perce instigated the attacks and told courts that he never touched him during the argument ... Saying that the case represents one man's word against the other and that the video is inadmissible, Judge Martin threw out the charge against Elbayomy ...
Pennsylvania Judge Dismisses Case Against Muslim Accused Of Attacking Atheist Dressed As 'Zombie Muhammad' (VIDEO)
Posted: 02/27/2012 4:07 pm
Updated: 02/27/2012 8:11 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/27/pennsylvania-judge-musim-zombie-muhammad_n_1304764.html

A Cumberland County magisterial district judge who is also a U.S. Army reservist with three Middle East tours under his belt has drawn national scrutiny for a ruling he made more than two months ago. On Dec. 6, Judge Mark Martin dismissed a harassment case brought against Talaag Elbayomy, 46, of Mechanicsburg ... In the audio file, after all the evidence is presented, Martin issues his ruling ... “All that aside, I’ve got two sides (of a) story that are in conflict with each other. I can’t believe that if there was this kind of conflict going on in the middle of the street and somebody didn’t step forward sooner to try and intervene that the police officer on the bicycle didn’t stop and say, ‘Hey, let’s break this up,’” he added, before dismissing the charges against Elbayomy for lack of evidence.
Cumberland County magisterial district judge berated over case dismissal
By Lauren McLane, Sentinel Reporter
Posted: Sunday, February 26, 2012 7:00 am
http://cumberlink.com/news/local/cumberland-county-magisterial-district-judge-berated-over-case-dismissal/article_e8813f3c-6036-11e1-be13-0019bb2963f4.html

struggle4progress

(118,282 posts)
2. So, as I said back in October:
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 09:47 AM
Apr 2012
... But the video quality isn't really good enough to show anything. It's impossible to tell from the video what's happening or who's saying what or even how many people are involved ... The evidentiary material here is thus rather sparse, especially insofar as the most proximate witness audibly asks "What is going on?" ... In any case, a number of rightwing sources are pushing the story ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=214&topic_id=308664&mesg_id=309427

BiggJawn

(23,051 posts)
3. But "what's on our minds" just MIGHT piss somebody off.
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 10:09 AM
Apr 2012

This is not about the "right to shout 'FIRE!' in a crowded theatre".

So I can say what I think, only so long as it doesn't insult somebody's faerie tale and hurt their precious fee-fees?

Bullshit.

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