question: is the bullying of muslim children in school an acceptable topic of discussion here?

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I've been told that it is not.

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1. Of course it is.

[rzemanfl]

2. If you are for it, it isn't. n/t

[Jim__]

3. It sounds like a religious issue to me. - n/t

[guillaumeb]

4. Do you have any specific instances in mind? eom

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5. The objections were raised in a thread about a mock election being canceled at an elementary school

[guillaumeb]

6. I cannot see why a mock election being cancelled due to possible religious discrimination would not

be a fit subject for this Group. I just read the objection to the post you referenced. I think that if the subject were young atheists being harassed the objection would not have been raised. My opinion only.

[Goblinmonger]

7. Well, this OP is meta

so I have no idea why it's here.

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10. The objections are meta as well. And those objections could discourage discussion, if believed.

Well, this OP is meta

so I have no idea why it's here.

When folks tell us that the bullying of muslim children in elementary schools due to the Trump Effect isn't within the SOP of this group, clarification of the SOP is in order, meta or no.

Otherwise, important and highly relevant topics for this forum will remain undiscussed, due to the misconceptions caused by the objections.

[Goblinmonger]

12. "I know you are but what am I?"

That's what this is coming to?

There is a process for appealing. Posting your complaint in here isn't part of the process. Take it to ATA if you don't like the result of your appeal to the host.

Keep the meta out of here.

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13. What is it that you want me to apeal? I'm not the one complaining. You are.

There is a process for appealing. Posting your complaint in here isn't part of the process. Take it to ATA if you don't like the result of your appeal to the host.

I asked a question.

You complained about my question.

If anybody is looking for an appeal, it wouldn't be me, would it?

Instead of posting your complaint here, why not appeal?

There is a process for appealing.

Posting your complaint in here isn't part of the process.

Take it to ATA if you don't like the result of your appeal to the host.

[Goblinmonger]

16. I have no idea what you are talking about.

You started an OP because you didn't like that some people didn't like your other thread. Who cares?

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17. Why would 3 posts by a "name removed" troll disturb me?

You started an OP because you didn't like that some people didn't like your other thread.

It's not like I expected the posts from this 3 post wonder to last very long, given their content.



No, I don't care what the troll thought about my thread.

I wanted to know whether or not the topic of bullying muslim school children fell within the SOP of this group.

I had been informed by member of long standing here that it was outside the SOP, but that didn't make any sense to me.

This isn't about anybody liking or disliking any thread.

In fact, there was not a single person posting in that thread who expressed a dislike for the thread, except for the troll that MIRT removed, of course, so it was not like the troll was getting any traction there.

[Brettongarcia]

8. What are we talking about?

If an OP or comment is removed, I think it's done now by some independent contracted monitor agency. Albeit at the request of a DU member.

If it's the mock elementary art school election shut down by Trump supporters, I'd think Democratic Underground would be positive about discussion.

It's now illegal to question that monitoring agency it seems. AS interfering with their decision.

SO now it's time to take this directly to DU headquarters?

Struggle-4-Progress might know how to do that.

What I know: when a comment is deleted by admin, or their contractors, they send you a notice in your inbox. THe notice offers you the option to challenge their decision.

We had some problems with not impartial in-house monitors. But this independent contractor has problems too. It doesn't seem to understand that in this particular forum, all beliefs, even religious beliefs, are questioned, as long as its in a way consistent with a Democratic perspective.

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9. It is a mock presidential election shut down by an elementary school due to bullying.

If it's the mock elementary art school election shut down by Trump supporters, I'd think Democratic Underground would be positive about discussion.

Not sure what this other stuff in your post is all about.

SO now it's time to take this directly to DU headquarters?

[Brettongarcia]

11. When a post is removed, there is an appeals process

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14. There was no post removed that I am aware of.

When a post is removed, there is an appeals process

I'm not even sure what you are talking about.

[Brettongarcia]

15. This post is confusing. Why start a second post on an old topic

Already covered by an earlier post?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218239561

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18. A discussion of this question there would constitute a hijacking of the OP you linked to.

That OP is not about the SOP of DU's Religion Group, which there may have been had some confusion about.

I think that the confusion has been cleared up now.

It is better to be clear about the rules so as to avoid meta in threads, which tend to hijack OP's.

What happened, I think, is that there was dissatisfaction with the fact that the OP was left standing, and a desire to second guess the moderation process by raising the meta issues directly within the thread itself, instead of accepting or appealing the results.

When this happens due to a misunderstanding of the SOP, it is better to clear up the confusion directly, so that people understand the SOP and don't feel tempted to derail threads with meta when jury decisions don't go their way.

Addressing the SOP directly avoids many of the alerts in the first place, which is better, since then people won't become frustrated when frivolous alerts fail (even frivolous alerts made out of ignorance in good faith), and won't be tempted to hijack the threads with meta to get around the failure of frivolous alerts.